You can't home school your kids in CA without credentials now? (Calimesa: crime, daycare)
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I don't know why anyone is even questioning this. The state is merely upholding basic education standards ... i.e. teaching credential requirements.
If you want to teach, you have to get the credentials. Are we NOT going to require teaching credentials at all now? Because this would be totally absurd ...
If people have a problem with this then, they definitely need to go ahead leave the state because ...
Criticizing the state for enforcing BASIC education standards is just nuts.
This links tells it all. It is a teacher competency test. It is really scary especially since many fail the test.
I won't beat a dead horse but in CA if you stop home schooling just because parents don't have credential you will definitely lower the educational standard in CA which is already pretty pathetic. Anyone that thinks removing home schooling is a great idea is a obviously a product of a failing CA school system. Just the facts.
Testing the Teacher (http://www.msnbc.com/onair/nbc/dateline/math.asp?cp1=1 - broken link)
That's just unrealistic and you know it. One out of one million parents in America today are going to decide that basic math isn't important to teach to their children. You can always use unrealistic and drastic scenarios to try and prove your point but they are very unrealistic and do not apply to the majority.
We should keep the majority in mind, not the small minority of people who will abuse their children's rights. Their are many ways to handle those people but punishing the majority is not the way, it's the easy way out of a difficult problem.
You must have little faith in Americans and there ability for rational thought. There is a reason why this country is the best in the world, under your rational it's the government who deserves credit, not the hard work of Americans.
When you think about this issue, just remember that Americans created their government the government didn't create them.
It is a trick of the liberal left, inject fear and lies, then change the law taking away rights of the people.
The public schools system is a joke and the private schools are too expensive for most. Without home schooling as an option our education system will fail many families as is is now and will continue to do so. Just look at our schools and how they match up with our countries. It is a shame that a country as wealthy and powerful can't do a better job. The reason is because our public school system is inadequate at best.
Agreed. I will never understand why we trust something as important as an education to a government monopoly. It's outrageous. Look at the Postal Service versus UPS or FedEx as an example. The Postal Service has greatly improved its package delivery service because of the competition even though UPS and FedEx are required by law to charge more. The mere threat of a relatively small number of parents pulling their children out of an underperforming school in favor of a better one would greatly improve the bad schools.** In turn this would also benefit the children with parents who don't take an interest in their children's education and are stuck in the failing school.
If anything we should be encouraging home schooling for those who are inclined towards it!
(**Because some of you don't understand how competition and the market work... a bad school would have to improve to retain enough students to stay open or would go out of business. Either way all of the students would be better off because they would be in a better school.)
I believe this is only the beginning and that it is foolish to think Home School Parents will just acquiesce.
As a whole, these are dedicated parents that in many cases have left great careers or at least put them on hold to concentrate on what they see as their most important role... being a parent.
Actions like this will insure that CA has a Voucher Program to be sure...
But, no one has really answered the question: you may have the right to home school, but are you able to home school adequately beyond about seventh grade level? I applaud your self-confidence if your answer is in the affirmative. I have enough confidence for everybody in any given room but I do not have that when it comes to adequately teaching my child at home.
These questions go to the absolute core of the argument. It should be the parentwho determines if they are qualified or not, not the state, you, or I. Especially not the state, who can be influenced by groups who do not have the kids best interest at heart. However, someone MUST make sure that IF a parent home schools, then those kids are independently tested to ensure they know what they need to know. If they do not meet the test, no more home schooling and off to public school they go.
Keep in mind that when you see a spelling bee, for example, a lot of the kids who are winning are home schooled. Think about that when you ponder if home schooling adequately teaches kids or not...
There are plenty of people who can teach who do not meet the state's current credential criteria. Just as importantly, there are credentialed teachers who apparently are NOT teaching kids adequately. Therefore, logically, credentials, in of itself, are not sufficient to determine who can teach their kids. No matter how much trolling, "staying on message" liberal debate tactics, or smugness is employed, none of it can override these facts!
also think about this. Do you have to get a license to have a baby? what goverment agency teaches you how to raise them.
Best idea I've heard in a long time..! If it were required to have a license before having a baby, most of the world's problems would be solved. If there were no children born out of wedlock, and no fatherless homes, the prisons would be empty and there would be jobs for everyone. No over crowded schools, no need for home schooling., no gangs, no poverty...
Just the thinking of a dreamer, but how wonderful it would be.
These questions go to the absolute core of the argument. It should be the parentwho determines if they are qualified or not, not the state, you, or I. Especially not the state, who can be influenced by groups who do not have the kids best interest at heart. However, someone MUST make sure that IF a parent home schools, then those kids are independently tested to ensure they know what they need to know.
There are plenty of people who can teach who do not meet the state's current credential criteria. Just as importantly, there are credentialed teachers who apparently are NOT teaching kids adequately. Therefore, logically, credentials, in of itself, are not sufficient to determine who can teach their kids. No matter how much trolling, "staying on message" liberal debate tactics, or smugness you employ, none of it can override these facts!
I would put money on the fact that more home schooled children could pass the CA exit exam than public percentage wise.
My daughter easliy passed the CA exit exam this year but is needing help to pass the TX exam. So much for the CA education system being so much better.
Yes, actually, I am. I'm a Registered Nurse ... and California actually has the toughest requirements to become an RN nationwide. If you want nurses with NO clinical experience to take care of you and your family ... feel free to move to other states.
I DID meet the state's tougher education requirements to become an RN. Saving lives can actually be quite complicated sometimes ...
Oh well ... thankfully, it's not up to you guys anyway. I'll bet on the judges who apparently also met the state's requirements for their education ...
Rant on ... I doubt it will change anything. I'm just glad California is doing this.
In the meantime ... I'm out.
A parent can be an EXCELLENT teacher without a credential, and in the same way, just because someone has a credential doesn't make them a good teacher. In the same way, just because a nurse has a great education doesn't necessarily make her a good nurse (esp. when the nurse has a bad and arrogant attitude).
This is an idiotic ruling that simply takes away a parent's rights. I AM a teacher, fully credentialed, and I have taught many years in public schools, and I can tell you that there are alot of BAD teachers in those schools who could care less about the kids- I worked with one teacher who called her students "little f***ers" and talked bad about them all the time (but she's tenured and gets away with it). She's also fully credentialed. I've seen teachers scream at their students, give their students loads of busywork (often work that is below grade level), talk on their phone during class, and I even heard of a friend's teacher who would literally videotape his first period science class and show the video to the other 6 periods (that is how he taught). All these teachers are tenured and credentialed; thus, they keep their jobs and do not get reprimanded.
There are also good public school teachers who do care and do teach well. And I've worked with many good teachers as well.
AND there are alot of very good homeschooling parents who I'm sure do an EXCELLENT job with their children, and I'd far rather see children being taught by loving, capable parents than some of these loudmouthed, complaining, mediocre, yet credentialed, teachers I've seen throughout the years.
A credential does NOT make a teacher good, even though the state thinks so.
Also, there is far more to "schooling' than just academia. I've seen very smart kids that had horrible behavior, character, and attitudes. Parents that homeschool teach academia and beyond, and they can give kids the type of individual instruction that teachers can't... plus they aren't all stressed out about things like politics, cutbacks, disgruntled parents, unruly students, meetings upon meetings (all the things teachers deal with that can take away from their time and joy in the classroom). Parens can make wondeful teachers, with or without credentials.
And lastly, a parent should have the right to homeschool their child (regardless of certification). I resent the way government thinks they know what's best for families. Government authority should not usurp parental authority (unless of course there is abuse, illegal behavior on the parent's part and then someone has to step in).
I don't want children being taught by people who have no teaching credentials. I don't want employers who won't even give their employees lunch breaks (as posted recently in the Idaho forum), the list goes on and on ...
People have been making this same doom and gloom prediction for decades now yet, California just keeps chugging along. As I've said before, California will do just fine without you.
And I don't want a nurse with a chip on her shoulder and holier-than-thou attitude no matter how fully registered and educated she is!
I can recommend you a fully credentialed teacher- she's taught many years, serves on committees, has all the credentials. I just hope it won't bother you too much that she also calls her students "little f***ers" and "little sh***" behind theirs (and their parent's) backs as well and talks bad about them and their families (because they are poor and Mexican) and she gives them tons of busywork and yells at them alot in the classroom. But, she is credentialed... and that seems to be, in yours and other people's mind, the criteria for what makes a "good" teacher.
One the requirements is to pass a series of exams so they can verify that you actually know most of the material you're teaching.
Maybe you guys don't think that's important but, it seems pretty important to me.
Yep ... California is really crazy. Expecting people who teach to actually know the material they're teaching ... wow ...
That's really insane ... what will those California nut jobs think of next?
Just because someone knows it doesn't make them a good teacher. I've taken those tests (CBEST, CSET, RICA), and primarily, here's how we teachers study for them- we get the test prep books and memorize everything. Just because someone knows the material, knows what are good teaching methods, etc. doesn't mean that they actually teach well within the classroom. There's alot more to good teaching than just passing tests and taking classes (jumping through the hoops).
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