Not surprised to see CA in the lead! (San Diego, Bakersfield: fit in, home)

[Jamesdeen]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Less the part about him being Irish then more about him being Northeastern and having really bad impressions of Southerners. Don't even get him started on FL!

Yes, but he said the REASON that those from Northeast hate the south is BECAUSE they are Irish (Catholic obviously implied) and hate on Southern Protestants.

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

He's Irish-American and grew up in the New York City area. Generally speaking, Irish-Americans, in particular those from the Northeast, hate the South because the South is mostly Protestant, British-descended, Republican and non-unionized.

Read the post again. And as I said, use some of that critical reasoning I was talking about.


I'm sorry, but 21st century America is not England during the Glorious Revolution, Ireland on Bloody Sunday, or France during Bartholomew's massacre.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Jamesdeen

Yes, but he said the REASON that those from Northeast hate the south is BECAUSE they are Irish (Catholic obviously implied) and hate on Southern Protestants.



Read the post again. And as I said, use some of that critical reasoning I was talking about.


I'm sorry, but 21st century America is not England during the Glorious Revolution, Ireland on Bloody Sunday, or France during Bartholomew's massacre.

I wouldn't put it past someone even though I get your point. My Italian catholic college roomie from Rhode Island had similar impressions. I don't count ethnicity but I do count religious and political biases people might have of the South.

[Jamesdeen]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I wouldn't put it past someone even though I get your point. My Italian catholic college roomie from Rhode Island had similar impressions. I don't count ethnicity but I do count religious and political biases people might have of the South.

What were your roommate's impressions? Of who/what?

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Jamesdeen

What were your roommate's impressions? Of who/what?

What do you think? I'm very, very sure you already know considering the media narrative about Texas and the South in general. If you mean his religious impression, it was very all around catholic and also extends to Catholics in the south; that Protestantism = fundamentalism. That there's no order so you'll end up handling snakes. LOL.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Prop 57 is undergoing regulatory review. Some aspects of it like increases in credits for obtaining a degree or getting certification in a vocational program were enacted on an emergency basis at the end of March. The other aspects will be phased in over time assuming that the regulations are adopted.

At least they're trying to utilize Prop 57 for the benefit of society as a whole.

"Through Proposition 57, state officials want to increase prisoner enrollment in work, education and rehabilitation initiatives by expanding the amount and types of credits inmates can earn for time served toward their sentences."

'I took someone’s life — now I am giving back': In California's prisons, inmates teach each other how to start over: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html

[taimaishu]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Why did this have to turn into a Red vs Blue thing? It's where crime has risen, not which area has the most crime.

I think the most pathetic thing Californians have done is peg their state identity to liberalism/progressvism so much that they can only think in terms of left vs right. So that if there is any fault in the state, it's pushed away in favor of pointing the finger at red states instead. Rising crime is no joke. If the "agenda" is to make CA look bad, fine. It does reflect bad on CA, but the fact that you went straight into making this a left/right thing, shows that you are way more ideologically motivated because you ignore the crime stats.

Stop tying CA to liberalism and stop defending liberalism just to not give one drop of credence to the right wing. Debate the stats, but also find solutions.

I'm not. I just posted a link of the most Crime Ridden states. And it just happens to be all red states. I didn't make that data up. lol

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by taimaishu

I'm not. I just posted a link of the most Crime Ridden states. And it just happens to be all red states. I didn't make that data up. lol

Yes, but the OP's post is about rising crime. I don't get how other states faring far worst overall takes away from the fact that many cities in CA are seeing spikes in crime. It doesn't mean CA is worst off than the red states just that something isn't right. I don't get what you're trying to do by posting your list. Both lists can be right, no? How does yours take away from the one the OP posted?

[Jamesdeen]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Yes, but the OP's post is about rising crime. I don't get how other states faring far worst overall takes away from the fact that many cities in CA are seeing spikes in crime. It doesn't mean CA is worst off than the red states just that something isn't right. I don't get what you're trying to do by posting your list. Both lists can be right, no? How does yours take away from the one the OP posted?

I'm just gunna say that the first couple of cities on the OP's list had increases of something like 1% over 5 years. Who cares?

The only city that is at all an interesting situation is San Francisco. Rents and property values are skyrocketing and yet crime is increasing. I would like to see an explanation for that.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Jamesdeen

I'm just gunna say that the first couple of cities on the OP's list had increases of something like 1% over 5 years. Who cares?

The only city that is at all an interesting situation is San Francisco. Rents and property values are skyrocketing and yet crime is increasing. I would like to see an explanation for that.

And LA which has seen an uptick. I'm not trying to make the OPs case if his intent was to smear CA, but the talk of increased crime especially from the historic lows the cities have touted is worth talking about.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Yes, but the OP's post is about rising crime. I don't get how other states faring far worst overall takes away from the fact that many cities in CA are seeing spikes in crime. It doesn't mean CA is worst off than the red states just that something isn't right. I don't get what you're trying to do by posting your list. Both lists can be right, no? How does yours take away from the one the OP posted?

There is a reasonable study that looked at the impact of inmpate release due to 47 and crime in all 60 counties for the first half of 2015 as compared to the first half of 2014. There is no correlation.

Crime is up including some sharp increases in specific crimes in a number of large cities including my own Las Vegas. But we still have no good explanation. Clearly not 47 which did not occur here. And it did not happen in all big cities. So an observation so far with no good explanation.

But it does not appear to be a CA only problem.