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[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Unintended consequences of Prop. 47 pose challenge for criminal justice system - LA Times






Which grip would that be?

The grip that pointed out that 3 of 4 other states that passed similar measures have experienced no such increases in crime ... and that pointed out that other counties in California also experienced no such increases .... and that pointed out http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/doc..._2010-2016.pdf

Correlation vs causation is an interesting door to open. Especially compared with anecdotal stories.

[BB_210]

Why are people defending this gas tax?

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by taimaishu

Only FAILURES move to TX, AZ and UT... Everyone else are doing just fine.

Why do you think AZ, TX, and UT have a higher rate of Welfare and Food Stamp than CA?

Don't you pay attention to their posts? It's always, I'm moving out of CA cause it's too expensive.

It's NEVER I'm moving to TX cause it's awesome. hahaha

The bolded part, you have a valid point there.

The two families I know that moved to TX are now back in CA. They hated the weather, the flatness of the state, and the kicker was property taxes were higher.

Originally Posted by Kevdawgg

Even successful and wealthy people leave and move to those places. They can stay and afford all the taxes and housing they want but they can get a better deal in TX, AZ, and UT with less regulations and prices.

Yeah, it's 97 for the high today in Phoenix. It will be that way and worse for the next several months. No thanks.

Yes, there are cheaper places to live, there is also "when you go cheap, ya get cheap".


We get one "go round" in life, and no one knows how long they have. Living someplace you really don't want to live to save some money, well that's not living.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Unintended consequences of Prop. 47 pose challenge for criminal justice system - LA Times

Which grip would that be?

Maybe you should have looked for an article newer than the one you posted from 2015?

Property crime, statewide dropped 3.5% in 2016.
http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/doc..._2010-2016.pdf

If you read that study you will see that in spite of the statewide drop in property crime, Los Angeles has had an increase in property crime and a huge decrease in the number of arrests they have made.

So while it is easy to say that prop 47 caused an increase in property crime, evidence shows that it had little if any impact on the crime rate except for those jurisdictions like LAPD which foolishly decided not to arrest offenders for prop 47 offenses. The machiavelian decision by LAPD to not arrest prop 47 offenders in an attempt to cause the law to fail instead revealed the stupidity of the police administrators who made that decision.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Because most state legislators most definitely suck at Mathematics. Or perhaps they are graduates of the California Public School System -- which is to say they cannot do basic arithmetic.

California Legislators passed a law in 1999 that led to a tidal wave of retroactive 50 percent pension increases for government employees across the state. At that time, its advocates claimed that such a huge giveaway wouldn't cost taxpayers a dime. And that one law, passed with bipartisan support and over the objections of fiscal watchdogs, laid the groundwork for California's continuing pension problems, which have unfunded liabilities estimated as high as $1 trillion.

How is it that when you did all that research (most of which I did not quote here for the sake of brevity) you failed to include in your discussion PEPRA, the state pension reform was passed in 2013?
https://www.calpers.ca.gov/page/empl...reform-impacts

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Maybe you should have looked for an article newer than the one you posted from 2015?

Property crime, statewide dropped 3.5% in 2016.
http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/doc..._2010-2016.pdf

If you read that study you will see that in spite of the statewide drop in property crime, Los Angeles has had an increase in property crime and a huge decrease in the number of arrests they have made.

So while it is easy to say that prop 47 caused an increase in property crime, evidence shows that it had little if any impact on the crime rate except for those jurisdictions like LAPD which foolishly decided not to arrest offenders for prop 47 offenses. The machiavelian decision by LAPD to not arrest prop 47 offenders in an attempt to cause the law to fail instead revealed the stupidity of the police administrators who made that decision.

Why should they arrest people for prop 47 offenses? Nothing happens but a citation. I think LAPD is too busy for that crap. But hey at least you admitted prop 47 caused a increase in crime. Baby steps...Oh and crime is way up in OC... what's your excuse for that?

[Finper]

Originally Posted by max210

Why are people defending this gas tax?

Perhaps 2sleepy will never not defend a tax that helps unions and funds her pension???? As for taimyshu I can only think he's a troll no rational person thinks like that

[BB_210]

Originally Posted by Finper

Perhaps 2sleepy will never not defend a tax that helps unions and funds her pension???? As for taimyshu I can only think he's a troll no rational person thinks like that

The only explanation that makes sense, retired government employee.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Finper

Perhaps 2sleepy will never not defend a tax that helps unions and funds her pension???? As for taimyshu I can only think he's a troll no rational person thinks like that

The gas tax does not help unions, nor does it fund my pension.. peculiar that you would say that and in the same post call another poster a troll

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Finper

Why should they arrest people for prop 47 offenses? Nothing happens but a citation. I think LAPD is too busy for that crap. But hey at least you admitted prop 47 caused a increase in crime. Baby steps...Oh and crime is way up in OC... what's your excuse for that?

It does in other counties, people who commit misdemeanors are booked into jail, forced to post bail and go to court on the case, and in most counties that make arrests for those offenses the property crime rate has gone down. Is property crime up in Orange County? I don't have stats for the county but from my link:

Orange -15.0
Anaheim + 1.9
Santa Ana -5.8
Irvine -1.2
Doesn't look too bad to me, you can check the link for other cities in that county.

I did not admit that prop 47 caused an increase in crime because it didn't it. Did you just make that up, or did you infer it from this:

So while it is easy to say that prop 47 caused an increase in property crime, evidence shows that it had little if any impact on the crime rate except for those jurisdictions like LAPD which foolishly decided not to arrest offenders for prop 47 offenses. The machiavelian decision by LAPD to not arrest prop 47 offenders in an attempt to cause the law to fail instead revealed the stupidity of the police administrators who made that decision.

(little if any means no significant increase or decrease)