California’s kids are healthier but many are living in poverty (transfer, taxes)

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by Pruzhany

Israel gets around $3B and not $6B and you may want to research who these funds are actually subsidizing. I'll give you a headstart: All the funds MUST be spent in the US in the military related sector. Look up aerospace in CA to see how many of the known companies are in CA and how many CA residents are employed there. It doesn't prop up Israel and Egypt. It does prop up US companies and their employees.

so it must be a good thing because the money gets spent in the states anyway? and if money is spent on the poor, its not a good thing even if the rich farmers get subsidized too?

[oldoak2000]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

$25 billion is a small investment compared to what they contribute to the economy.

18Montclair = FAIL!
https://www.thenation.com/article/un...omy-each-year/

letsee $25billion in; $11 billion out. = liberal math = F A I L !

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by oldoak2000

18Montclair = FAIL!
https://www.thenation.com/article/un...omy-each-year/

letsee $25billion in; $11 billion out. = liberal math = F A I L !

That $11 billion is for the nation though so for CA of course it would be a lot lower

The $25 billion figure is what is spent on illegals just in California .

"Investing" in illegals is like "investing" in Enron stock or with Bernie Madoff aka not a good investment .

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by jm1982

I heard someone recently mention how there is a lot of criticism against the rich.
Saying the rich are greedy etc .

But if you look at the rich many of them are contributing a lot . Funding universities , charities etc .
In California the 1%ers pay 48 percent of all the taxes .

Most people even middle class folks just don't make enough money to really give back and contribute .
They are just getting by .

Not saying rich people are "better" this is just a reality and one that many people don't think about .
If you listen to liberal media you would think the rich and high income people are all paying nothing in taxes which just is not true .

The rich contribute less than they receive, for the most part. A significant number of rich people are the non-working share holders, they don't hire anyone or really do anything. They pay some paltry capitial gains tax and that's about it.

[Pruzhany]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

so it must be a good thing because the money gets spent in the states anyway? and if money is spent on the poor, its not a good thing even if the rich farmers get subsidized too?

You're all of the place in this thread. The passed through international funds is corporate welfare. As to farmers, they are directly subsidized by the gov't not to grow certain crops. They are also subsidized to grow certain crops would be sold at a loss without it (Ethanol comes to mind).

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by Pruzhany

You're all of the place in this thread.

the OP bemoans the tax spent on poor children and im only trying to point out that if you want to rant on the misuse of taxes, there are even bigger items to talk about like farm subsidies, etc

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

The rich contribute less than they receive, for the most part. A significant number of rich people are the non-working share holders, they don't hire anyone or really do anything. They pay some paltry capitial gains tax and that's about it.

Any stats on this ?
Like how many of the rich are actually living just off passive investments like stock ?

Also without those rich people investing in public company stock those companies wouldn't be around to provide jobs and grow ...
So to say they aren't really doing anything isn't really accurate .

I don't think there are really that many rich people just sitting around and not doing anything, not working in charitable ways etc .

It sounds weird but that gets boring after a while from what I've heard .
Also in American society at least it's not viewed socially acceptable to just be rich and not do anything.
Maybe in Saudi Arabia it's different .

[RememberMee]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Really ? What are your stats on those "contributions to the economy" ?
Majority of illegals ( over 50 percent ) are in poverty .
Those in poverty don't really contribute much to the economy .
I know this is a lie that's been repeated by the mayor of L.A and others but it's just that .
Another liberal lie .

Can you name any illegal aliens that started a tech company or something ?

We have enough poor Americans we don't need to take on the poor from other countries . We can't afford it.

By the same logic, slaves contributed nothing to economy back in the days. Illegals are foundation of the coercive social pyramid, your superior income grows on their backs, you would be hungry and homeless without them. The burning issue with many native borns is not illegal immigration per se but sweeping illegal workers under the rug, a system of pure exploitation without throwing illegals a bone of sub par health care etc. Sure, after the illegals are swept under there will be a turn of blacks and the white poor, any poor. USA is ripe for going banana Latin American dictatorship route, American well to do class wants perfect disposable people keeping away from the pie (grown on those people's back), if their labor is unwanted, well to do class feels that those people must just disappear to keep taxes low.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by RememberMee

By the same logic, slaves contributed nothing to economy back in the days. Illegals are foundation of the coercive social pyramid, your superior income grows on their backs, you would be hungry and homeless without them. The burning issue with many native borns is not illegal immigration per se but sweeping illegal workers under the rug, a system of pure exploitation without throwing illegals a bone of sub par health care etc. Sure, after the illegals are swept under there will be a turn of blacks and the white poor, any poor. USA is ripe for going banana Latin American dictatorship route, American well to do class wants perfect disposable people keeping away from the pie (grown on those people's back), if their labor is unwanted, well to do class feels that those people must just disappear to keep taxes low.

I'd be fine with business owners using illegal labor to be punished severely.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the business owners in L.A that benefit from illegal alien labor vote Democrat .

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

the OP bemoans the tax spent on poor children and im only trying to point out that if you want to rant on the misuse of taxes, there are even bigger items to talk about like farm subsidies, etc

Just adding a though. Giving poor children a chance to make their mark gives everyone something positive. They have dreams too, and if they have a way, can make something of themselves from which everyone will gain. Just as the opportunity should be there for middle class kids. The sorts of educations which get you where you have the chance for success and a real chance should be available for all.

But even the chance doesn't guarentee success and a nicer life. Those with lots of money have the advantage here, since they don't need the 'assist'. But life itself will get in the way. If illness interrupts dreams, then there is a real likelyhood they won't materialize. Sometimes you can't make up for lost time.

'Success' isn't defined by age, but by ability. We need to look at ability over age or means or background and nourish it.

But the *chance* is something which should be made available to everyone. And training and education to use that chance needs to be too. We need to open the doors to those who have that will to succeed because in the end it will benefit everyone.

And if we like it or not, without those 'illegal' residents many a need would go unmet, and the supply machine could stall. And they'll either be replaced by tech or by much higher wages from 'legit' workers.

And everyone would pay for it.

Reality isn't simple like so many wish it was.