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Old 07-19-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Reality check: 97 percent of the money from SB1 is going to transportation. The other 3 percent is required to be diverted by law.

Is Jerry Brown 'diverting' 30 percent of California's new gas tax money? | PolitiFact California
Look at where some of that 97% is actually going and .... how much of the previous tax is now diverted.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Look at where some of that 97% is actually going and .... how much of the previous tax is now diverted.
Roads, transit, and planning for roads and transit. That's where 97% of the funds are going. Read. The. Chart.

Is Jerry Brown 'diverting' 30 percent of California's new gas tax money? | PolitiFact California

Please, enlighten me, which line items on the budget do you think are shady?
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Roads, transit, and planning for roads and transit. That's where 97% of the funds are going. Read. The. Chart.

Is Jerry Brown 'diverting' 30 percent of California's new gas tax money? | PolitiFact California

Please, enlighten me, which line items on the budget do you think are shady?
Where did the original funds for infrastructure, before the gas tax, go to?
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Roads, transit, and planning for roads and transit. That's where 97% of the funds are going. Read. The. Chart.

Is Jerry Brown 'diverting' 30 percent of California's new gas tax money? | PolitiFact California

Please, enlighten me, which line items on the budget do you think are shady?
Consider this:

California gas tax increase - what it costs and what it does | The Sacramento Bee
Where will the money go?

Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Program – $3.24 billion a year on average: Off the top, the program allocates several hundred million dollars to various endeavors:
▪ $400 million to maintain and repair state bridges and culverts
▪ $200 million for Sacramento and 23 other counties with local transportation taxes
$100 million to increase the number of trips by bike and on foot
$25 million for the freeway service patrol program
▪ $25 million for sustainable communities planning grants to local governments
▪ $7 million total for transportation-related research and education at UC ($5 million) and CSU ($2 million)
▪ $5 million in workforce development grants to local agencies
Of the roughly $2.48 billion remaining, half would go to Caltrans for state highway maintenance and rehabilitation. The other half would go to cities and counties for road maintenance and repair projects and railroad grade separations. It also pays for an emphasis on “complete streets” that are safer for walkers and bikers, capture stormwater, and include other features.

State highways – $1.49 billion

Local streets and roads – $1.48 billion

Public transit – $700 million: Receives an additional one-time $256 million from the transportation loan payback. The money will pay for local bus and light-rail systems, new equipment and other capital expenses.

Trade – $365 million: Pays for projects to improve movement of goods from the state’s large ports and other trade facilities.

Traffic – $250 million: Congested Corridors Program is intended to reduce traffic on California’s most heavily traveled roads.

Parks, boats: The State Parks and Recreation Fund will collect the revenue from the 12-cent gas excise tax increase on gas purchases for boats and other off-highway vehicles. The money will be used for state parks, boating programs, off-highway vehicle parks and other services.
Other provisions

▪ Creates a $30 million program to reduce the burden of transportation projects on the environment.
▪ Creates a state transportation inspector general within a new Caltrans Independent Office of Audits and Investigations.
▪ Sets regulations giving commercial truckers more time to comply with pollution-control regulations.
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Read more here: California gas tax increase - what it costs and what it does | The Sacramento Bee
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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expatCA should return to CA to spearhead. you are more needed here than in TN
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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I still don't understand. You're against walking, biking, and transit? ... You think every trip, every time, should be made in a car? You think everyone should be forced to sit in freeway traffic every day, with no other options available?

The 100 million for bike and pedestrian projects represents 3.5% of the budget.
The 25 million for freeway service patrol (clearing wrecked vehicles from the freeway to reduce traffic) represents less than 1%.
The 25 million for sustainable communities planning grants represents less than 1%.
The 7 million for transportation-related research at UC and CSU represents less than one quarter of 1%.

Do you understand that the 1.9% diverted to parks and rec is required by state law to be directed there?
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Where did the original funds for infrastructure, before the gas tax, go to?
The state highway system was built largely by state bond measures. Local roads were built by short-term local bond measures. The gas tax and vehicle registration fees were introduced in 1923 and 1927, respectively, but they have never been high enough to pay for all of the maintenance our roads require. Essentially, there has never been an adequate, stable funding source for roads (until now).

The full story:
FUNDING TRANSPORTATION IN CALIFORNIA: A HISTORY OF CRISES [eScholarship]

A quicker, lighter read:
Why California’s New Transportation Bill Is a Really Big, Historic Deal
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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how about collecting tolls on freeways instead of taxing everyone just to build and maintain the freeways?


not everybody use the freeways and some use it sparingly only. so if you use more, you should pay more.


this is also a way to reduce emission. if you don't want to pay for tolls, then you try to live where there is a good public transit system.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I find it laughable that anyone actually believes the gas tax will actually fix anything. A third of it is already being diverted away and it was just passed. Give it maybe 5 years and we will hear about the crumbling roads and how we need X new tax to fix them.
If history proves, ya. We'll be kicking that pay and pension can down the road.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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I still don't understand. You're against walking, biking, and transit? ... You think every trip, every time, should be made in a car? You think everyone should be forced to sit in freeway traffic every day, with no other options available?

The 100 million for bike and pedestrian projects represents 3.5% of the budget.
The 25 million for freeway service patrol (clearing wrecked vehicles from the freeway to reduce traffic) represents less than 1%.
The 25 million for sustainable communities planning grants represents less than 1%.
The 7 million for transportation-related research at UC and CSU represents less than one quarter of 1%.

Do you understand that the 1.9% diverted to parks and rec is required by state law to be directed there?
Yes, in other words it does not go to road repair. You pointed out the little bit, 7.4% and ignore the nearly 25% below, which totals to .............. over 30%:

Public transit – $700 million: Receives an additional one-time $256 million from the transportation loan payback. The money will pay for local bus and light-rail systems, new equipment and other capital expenses.

Trade – $365 million: Pays for projects to improve movement of goods from the state’s large ports and other trade facilities.

Traffic – $250 million: Congested Corridors Program is intended to reduce traffic on California’s most heavily traveled roads.

That is over 1 .25 Billion. Not for road repair.
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