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[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

if you are talking about Graham Cassidy, it is an abomination.

True. Only Right-Wing Billionaires Like the Latest Trumpcare Bill

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I don't know what the "masters healthcare bill is", but if you are talking about Graham Cassidy, it is an abomination. Federal healthcare money to states would drop by over 30% in 2026, and money will be transferred from states that expanded medicaid to those who didn't. Block grants are always a horrible idea. TANF is block granted and there are 10 states that spend less than 10% of the federal money on actual aid to the poor, many of them use it to balance their budgets. And I'm worried that California won't even begin to be able to provide healthcare when the feds take cut their funding by $138.8-billion over a seven-year period.

Federal money for Obamacare is dropping anyways.

You and others talk about Obamacare like it is an actual functional bill that hasn't had all the taxes stripped out of it. Not to mention how the obamacare exchanges are bleeding money. In 5 years almost all the obamacare plans will stop existing as insurance companies have zero reasons to keep losing money on them.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Federal money for Obamacare is dropping anyways.

You and others talk about Obamacare like it is an actual functional bill that hasn't had all the taxes stripped out of it. Not to mention how the obamacare exchanges are bleeding money. In 5 years almost all the obamacare plans will stop existing as insurance companies have zero reasons to keep losing money on them.

I can come up with lots of good ideas if I don't have to worry about paying for them.

[cyberfx1024]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Or not.

These 10 L.A. high schools are the best at getting their graduates to college - LA Times

Yeah because they keep lowering the bar to graduate high school so much that freshman college students are having to take remedial classes in community college just to get themselves ready for college.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Federal money for Obamacare is dropping anyways.

You and others talk about Obamacare like it is an actual functional bill that hasn't had all the taxes stripped out of it. Not to mention how the obamacare exchanges are bleeding money. In 5 years almost all the obamacare plans will stop existing as insurance companies have zero reasons to keep losing money on them.

And all of that must be your opinion since you offer no data to support it?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by cyberfx1024

Yeah because they keep lowering the bar to graduate high school so much that freshman college students are having to take remedial classes in community college just to get themselves ready for college.

Really? I'm guessing you never looked at the California requirements for graduating from High School?
High School - Grade Spans (CA Dept of Education)

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

And all of that must be your opinion since you offer no data to support it?

It is self evident. It is like saying the sky is blue at this point. Anyone lying any sort of attention knows obamare is in a death spiral, the only question is when it will end. Most assessments are in the 3 year range in some states and around 5 or so years in other states including California. Feel free to google "obamacare failing" if you would like more information.
You can also follow Craig Gottwals on twitter. He runs a health insurance consulting business for companies looking to anticipate changes in the health care market.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

It is self evident. It is like saying the sky is blue at this point. Anyone lying any sort of attention knows obamare is in a death spiral, the only question is when it will end. Most assessments are in the 3 year range in some states and around 5 or so years in other states including California. Feel free to google "obamacare failing" if you would like more information.
You can also follow Craig Gottwals on twitter. He runs a health insurance consulting business for companies looking to anticipate changes in the health care market.

So in other words you have zero evidence to support your claims, that's what I figured.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-trump-administrations-own-data-says-obamacare-isnt-imploding

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Anyone lying any sort of attention knows obamare is in a death spiral, the only question is when it will end.

Not sure what this means. Anyone "lying"? At any rate, people have posted data on multiple threads that disproves your opinion, but you keep ignoring it.

Feel free to google "obamacare failing" if you would like more information.

And get an opinion from right wing publication, as you've posted before?

You can also follow Craig Gottwals on twitter. He runs a health insurance consulting business for companies looking to anticipate changes in the health care market.

Health insurance companies have as their primary interest PROFITS. They're actually not in the business of keeping people well.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

No, actually if people had to pay market rate for healthcare only the wealthy would receive medical care of serious illness or injury.

Average Cost 2013

Hip Replacement $60,185
Chemotherapy $57,073
Bone Marrow Transplant $299,253
Hernia Repair $60,367
There are more here http://medical-procedures.healthgrove.com/

Are you prepared to pay the market rate for those procedures, particularly after you adjust them to 2017 prices? I know that I'm not.

Just a side note: the above numbers, titled "Average Cost 2013" are not costs. They are prices. The actual cost is much, much lower.