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Old 08-08-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Originally Posted by expatCA View Post
the protestors are likely liberals who will shout down anyone who they disagree with. Meaningless.
Apparently you didn't read the article.

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The late David Broder, the fair-minded Washington Post columnist, was scathing in his criticism of the spectacle in a column....
You're quoting David Broder, "Setting the conservative standard for the Washington Post"? Of course he was scathing in his criticism.
David S. Broder - Setting the Conservative Standard

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Just hours and no changes as it was vote for it or not, your choice and every Dem voted for it and no Republicans did.
Yet in your same link, it states:

While the ACA passed without a single Republican vote, the contents of the bill were nonetheless made available to both parties multiple times throughout its development, as described by the New York Times:

In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.


FACT CHECK: Was the Passage of Obamacare Was Just as Secretive as GOP Efforts to Repeal It?

 
Old 08-08-2017, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmk
 
Old 08-08-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Some revisionist history you have there. They voted on Obamacare while the printed pages were still warm.
Timeline of the health care law - CNNPolitics
 
Old 08-08-2017, 05:25 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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"The passage, implementation, and ratification of Obamacare continue to be plagued by a widespread belief that it was tarnished by the way it was proposed and debated. A raft of reporters, commentators, and politicians argue that the president made a huge mistake in taking up healthcare at the beginning of his term, before building relationships of trust with Republicans, and then compounded that error by jamming it through quickly without any Republican input or efforts to find common ground.

In the aftermath of King v. Burwell, it is worth going back and recounting what actually happened leading up to the enactment of Obamacare..."


The Real Story of Obamacare's Birth - One reason for the continued resistance to the Affordable Care Act is a badly distorted narrative of how it became law:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-birth/397742/
 
Old 08-10-2017, 06:32 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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"Then Congressional Republicans threw a wrench into the system. In 2014, the GOP decided to attack the risk corridor program as a “bailout” of insurers, even though the exact same provision was part of the GOP’s 2003 Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit (and still is). The Republicans slipped a rider into the 2014 spending bill decreeing that risk corridor payments could be made only from risk-corridor collections, not the general treasury.

The Republicans were inordinately proud of their handiwork. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., even used his role in the maneuver as a talking point in his abortive Presidential campaign, boasting to have “done significant damage to Obamacare,” and to have “saved the American taxpayer $2.5 billion.” In light of the beating that Republican legislators have taken for their efforts to replace the ACA with a series of horrific proposals aimed at steering billions in tax cuts to their rich donors..."


In a rebuke to the GOP, a federal judge orders the government to pay Molina Health $52 million in Obamacare funds - LA Times
 
Old 08-11-2017, 06:32 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Uh Trump has nothing to do with the increases. Gotta learn before you post something that is .... well wrong.
Actions by the Trump administration are triggering double-digit premium increases on individual health insurance policies purchased by many people, according to a nonpartisan study.

The analysis released Thursday by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that mixed signals from President Trump have created uncertainty “far outside the norm” and led insurers to seek higher premium increases for 2018 than would otherwise have been the case.

Trump's moves are causing health insurance premiums to jump, study says - LA Times
 
Old 08-11-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Actions by the Trump administration are triggering double-digit premium increases on individual health insurance policies purchased by many people, according to a nonpartisan study.

The analysis released Thursday by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that mixed signals from President Trump have created uncertainty “far outside the norm” and led insurers to seek higher premium increases for 2018 than would otherwise have been the case.

Trump's moves are causing health insurance premiums to jump, study says - LA Times
This is code for "when the government doesn't give us money people need to pay the actual cost of the product"
 
Old 08-11-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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CA4Now, thanks for carrying the logic and reasonable discussion torch for so many pages now.

Shooting4life, we get it, you don't like paying for other Americans. I don't know if you feel this way about public schools and roads in rural areas and fire departments but on healthcare at least you've made your point clear. It gets tiring reading the usual group posting some whiny variation of "evil government in my healthcare" and "I don't want to pay for poor people, sick people, disabled people, etc." without anything else constructive added.

Good luck getting your healthcare needs met in your fantasy land of unregulated insurance markets, especially once you get sick or elderly. Maybe you'll be able to trade some of your crops or animals for the local doctor's services.

The mandate isn't being enforced now, the ACA isn't taxing you to pay for others unless you make over $200K net income per year. The government isn't stopping you from not having health insurance, going fee for service with a doctor or medical group or just not receiving care. Or I suppose you could go into an emergency room and freeload off the rest of us, but I assume in your perfect world people would be turned away from emergency rooms if they can't afford the care, right? Don't want to pass those costs onto the rest of us responsible Americans.

Or maybe you feel like that if the darn government would just get out of healthcare you can walk into an emergency room and get looked at by a physician and treated for like $15. I know a sad amount of people who think if we could just get rid of Obamacare they'll be able to get health insurance for $30/month with super low or nonexistent deductibles. Oh and usually they still want the government to force insurance companies to let children ride on their parent's insurance until 26 and cover the cost of people with incredibly expensive preexisting conditions without raising other's premiums.

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It seems to really have been aimed at those who did not have health coverage through their employer.
Hmmmm, you think? It helped the small employers too, who had struggled to provide good plans for their small pools of employees.

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Old 08-11-2017, 11:11 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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CA4Now, thanks for carrying the logic and reasonable discussion torch for so many pages now.

Shooting4life, we get it, you don't like paying for other Americans. I don't know if you feel this way about public schools and roads in rural areas and fire departments but on healthcare at least you've made your point clear. It gets tiring reading the usual group posting some whiny variation of "evil government in my healthcare" and "I don't want to pay for poor people, sick people, disabled people, etc." without anything else constructive added.

Good luck getting your healthcare needs met in your fantasy land of unregulated insurance markets, especially once you get sick or elderly. Maybe you'll be able to trade some of your crops or animals for the local doctor's services.

The mandate isn't being enforced now, the ACA isn't taxing you to pay for others unless you make over $200K net income per year. The government isn't stopping you from not having health insurance, going fee for service with a doctor or medical group or just not receiving care. Or I suppose you could go into an emergency room and freeload off the rest of us, but I assume in your perfect world people would be turned away from emergency rooms if they can't afford the care, right? Don't want to pass those costs onto the rest of us responsible Americans.

Or maybe you feel like that if the darn government would just get out of healthcare you can walk into an emergency room and get looked at by a physician and treated for like $15. I know a sad amount of people who think if we could just get rid of Obamacare they'll be able to get health insurance for $30/month with super low or nonexistent deductibles. Oh and usually they still want the government to force insurance companies to let children ride on their parent's insurance until 26 and cover the cost of people with incredibly expensive preexisting conditions without raising other's premiums.
Obamacare is a sink hole for insurance companies. They jack up rates to everyone else to cover losses. This is the same as being taxed, just the government doesn't take my money the company does because of government mandate.

In other obamacare news, Antham blue cross is leaving the exchanges in the majorities of counties in California. ABC covers almost 20% of California's.


Please explain how an example of free market health care, lasik, has seen prices drop steadily while regulated health care market has increased exponentially?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 11:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by CA4Now View Post
Actions by the Trump administration are triggering double-digit premium increases on individual health insurance policies purchased by many people, according to a nonpartisan study.

The analysis released Thursday by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that mixed signals from President Trump have created uncertainty “far outside the norm” and led insurers to seek higher premium increases for 2018 than would otherwise have been the case.

Trump's moves are causing health insurance premiums to jump, study says - LA Times
Actions by the cost and ACA plan are causing the increase as such happened before Trump was elected. Political bias to blame someone else not the source. Note; the Republicans have also been exposed as having no real solution to the mess and the Democrats will not take responsibility for their mistakes, so nothing gets fixed. Just a blame game showing both parties are run by idiots and elected by the same.
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