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Old 02-09-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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99% of people who have insurance AREN'T millionaires.
You don't say. And what does that have to do with what was being discussed?

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The fact is no other country has more medical patents than the United States. Without the Medical innovations of the United states in the past 100 years, Health Care technology globally would be somewhere in the 1930s era. That was 100% driven by capitalism.
You're confusing medical devices with health care. They are not the same thing.

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If you say "Healthcare is a right", then it becomes forced labor...
Wrong poster, Cali. You tend to go off on some strange off-topic tangents.

 
Old 02-09-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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If you did that, you would still have medieval doctors who thought rubbing mouse blood on your teeth could cure tooth aches. You wouldn't have the entire field of radiology, let alone a CAT Scanner.

That's the worst possible thing you could do if you actually want to improve health outcomes.
No CT scans without a free market healthcare system? Are you serious? The CT scan was invented in 1972 by two scientists working independently. British engineer Godfrey Hounsfield of EMI laboratories invented the CT scan in England, and South African-born physicist Allan Cormack of Tufts University invented it in the United States.

Imagine that, a scientist in that dystopian socialist nightmare of a nation, England invented the same thing at the same time as a scientist in the US. Say it's not so
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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No CT scans without a free market healthcare system? Are you serious? The CT scan was invented in 1972 by two scientists working independently. British engineer Godfrey Hounsfield of EMI laboratories invented the CT scan in England, and South African-born physicist Allan Cormack of Tufts University invented it in the United States.

Imagine that, a scientist in that dystopian socialist nightmare of a nation, England invented the same thing at the same time as a scientist in the US. Say it's not so
What?

You just proved my POINT!

Two independent scientist operating in a free market environment (one working in a private research university in the U.S, and another working at a private firm in the UK) invented the CT Scanner!

No government involved. Free market wins again.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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I've read "the book", Wealth of Nations, have you? Because Adam Smith did not support laissez faire capitalism. Here are a few of the issues he mentioned as being appropriate for governmental regulation or intervention:
  • "the prevention of ‘leprosy or any other loathsome and offensive disease’ from spreading among the population"
  • "government restrictions on interest for borrowing (usury laws) to overcome investor ‘stupidity’"
  • "limiting ‘free exportation of corn’ only ‘in cases of the most urgent necessity’ (‘dearth’ turning into ‘famine’)"
  • "education of people of all ages (tythes or land tax) "
Hmm. Don't see anything about "health care is a right" or "single payer is the solution". You sure you read the book?
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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You don't say. And what does that have to do with what was being discussed?
Because you've brought it up TWICE now that somehow me being a millionaire means I'm not experiencing health care in the U.S like other people. This is false.


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You're confusing medical devices with health care. They are not the same thing.
They are not the SAME thing, but they are inherently related. Medical innovation drives up the quality of health care. The U.S has the most medical patents and innovations in the entire WORLD. Free market wins again.



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Wrong poster, Cali. You tend to go off on some strange off-topic tangents.
Ah, so you agree health care is a service? Good.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Hmm. Don't see anything about "health care is a right" or "single payer is the solution". You sure you read the book?
are you being deliberately obtuse?
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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What?
You just proved my POINT!
Two independent scientist operating in a free market environment (one working in a private research university in the U.S, and another working at a private firm in the UK) invented the CT Scanner!
No government involved. Free market wins again.
Hate to disappoint but you missed the point. For profit research companies do just fine in a country with universal healthcare
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Hate to disappoint but you missed the point. For profit research companies do just fine in a country with universal healthcare
But not as good as the U.S (#1 in medical patents).
 
Old 02-09-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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are you being deliberately obtuse?
I'm just trying to stay on topic. Where does Adam Smith talk about healthcare as being better when provided by government or health care without profit motive like you suggested?
 
Old 02-09-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Because you've brought it up TWICE now that somehow me being a millionaire means I'm not experiencing health care in the U.S like other people. This is false.
And you bragging about being a millionaire on nearly every thread here has nothing to do with that, right?

The fact that you believe that you're "experiencing health care in the U.S. like other people" shows how little you know of the average citizen covered under an average health insurance policy here.
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