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Old 08-22-2017, 10:42 PM
 
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My group lost four people to the state and county this year. There is no way to tell if those jobs were to replace retirees or public unions wanting to increase their membership and political power. They were elated with benefits they would be getting with their new government jobs that they didn't get at our company such as saving up to 600 days of their vacations and getting day off on MLK Day, President Day, Cesar Chavez Day, Veterans Day, Columbus Day (might be called something else now), pensions and retirement healthcare.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...128736099.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/10/1...for-big-bucks/

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Old 08-23-2017, 06:36 AM
 
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Just because California had the lead for jobs in the country does not say much. Remember California has 12% of all Americans, plus a lot of undocumented workers as it is politically correct to call them which are not included in the population count. And what is most important, is what are all those new jobs.

A lot of new jobs in California. Lets look at type of jobs that were created and people hired to perform.

#1----Leisure and hospitality which means job Working in restaurant, fast food restaurants, motels/hotels, etc.

#2----Education Health Services, Meaning teachers and workers in the schools. Health services, such as aids in nursing homes, and other jobs. A few nurses and a few better paid employees, but most not so lucky to get a high pay job..

#3----Professional and business services. Business and Professional Services are best distinguished as “back office” operations; contractor and sub-contractor services; computer and information services; retirement services; and unique services available to assist businesses often meaning temp workers,

#1 and #2 and #3 in that order, are the big new employment engines in Californian, and these 3 categories accounted for 75% of the new jobs according the the U.S.A. Bureau Of Labor. Not many good high pay jobs in that mix.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
Well, at least you waited until page 4 and let the cheerleaders have their little party before you burst their bubble. Now one of them will scream "just ignore it" and they'll continue their celebration.
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Old 08-23-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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A lot of new jobs in California. Lets look at type of jobs that were created and people hired to perform.

#1----Leisure and hospitality
#2----Education Health Services
#3----Professional and business services.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

This is misleading ... the #1, #2 and #3 you are quoting above are the types of jobs at the national level.

California's top three job categories are

1. Construction (+6.6% growth over last 12 months)
2. Other Services (+3.2%)
3. Leisure and Hospitality (+2.9%)

So California is far and away leading the nation in construction. Wow, how about that: with our high taxes and strict environmental rules, companies are falling over themselves to build here!
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Old 08-23-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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This is misleading ... the #1, #2 and #3 you are quoting above are the types of jobs at the national level.

California's top three job categories are

1. Construction (+6.6% growth over last 12 months)
2. Other Services (+3.2%)
3. Leisure and Hospitality (+2.9%)

So California is far and away leading the nation in construction. Wow, how about that: with our high taxes and strict environmental rules, companies are falling over themselves to build here!
You might want to take a look at the 10 year projections for CA from their government page to get a realistic gauge. There you'll find it's more in line with the previous post you're quoting.

http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.go...in-demand.html

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Old 08-23-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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You might want to take a look at the 10 year projections for CA from their government page to get a realistic gauge instead of cherry picking. There you'll find it's more in line with the previous post you're quoting.

Occupations in Demand
What is that supposed to prove? The data in the first column is for projected job openings, not new job creation. There are always more job openings in low paying service occupations, that has no bearing on job creation or actual hiring. If you look at the second column "fastest growing occupations" you will see that a number of high paying jobs in technical & skilled trades are expected to have the largest growth.
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Old 08-23-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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Looking at projected employment as a percent of the whole, 21.7% would be Personal Care Aides ($22,210), 13.2% would be Food Preparation ($20,140), and so on (this is taken from the fastest growing occupations list) and you can go from there. Sounds like more jobs are being created to ensure people can't live in this state.

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Old 08-23-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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Looking at projected employment as a percent of the whole, 21.7% would be Personal Care Aides ($22,210), 13.2% would be Food Preparation ($20,140), and so on (this is taken from the fastest growing occupations list) and you can go from there. Sounds like more jobs are being created to ensure people can't live in this state.
Huh? I don't see any data for projected employment a "percent of whole", but in any case, why would it surprise you that there is an ongoing need for people in those two professions?

Maybe you could take another look at the data and try again to articulate the case you are trying to make.
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Old 08-23-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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People that want to make a disingenuous argument will look at a profession that represent 1% of total jobs. And if that number goes to 2, they'll claim it's got a 100% rate of growth. True, but completely disingenuous. The fact of the matter is, CA produces a majority of their jobs that ensure a fairly uncomfortable standard of living. I'm guessing that has a lot to do with that outstanding 47th ranking in the K-12th grade. Bravo! Let's all pat ourselves on the back.
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Old 08-23-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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People that want to make a disingenuous argument will look at a profession that represent 1% of total jobs. And if that number goes to 2, they'll claim it's got a 100% rate of growth. True, but completely disingenuous. The fact of the matter is, CA produces a majority of their jobs that ensure a fairly uncomfortable standard of living. I'm guessing that has a lot to do with that outstanding 47th ranking in the K-12th grade. Bravo! Let's all pat ourselves on the back.
If you are a Nurse or into Software development, you are doing OK, but very few jobs other than that pay a decent wage for CA.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:58 PM
 
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If you are a Nurse or into Software development, you are doing OK, but very few jobs other than that pay a decent wage for CA.
Let's not forget state and local gov't jobs
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