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Old 08-26-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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seems public employees are very proud of their pensions.

but think about this:

they use their monthly dues to elect public officials then they negotiate their CBAs with they same public official they help get elected. bribery? me thinks it is albeit indirectly

I'm in favor of unions but public employees unions should not engage in electioneering. they should be neutral or non partisan.

don't know why electioneering among public employees is not illegal
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Old 08-26-2017, 05:22 PM
 
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When private sector unions were strong, public sector unions were weak - and vice versa. There is a definite correlation.
Not that I can see
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Old 08-26-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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seems public employees are very proud of their pensions.
but think about this:
they use their monthly dues to elect public officials then they negotiate their CBAs with they same public official they help get elected. bribery? me thinks it is albeit indirectly
I'm in favor of unions but public employees unions should not engage in electioneering. they should be neutral or non partisan.
don't know why electioneering among public employees is not illegal
electioneering? What are you talking about? A portion of a union members dues go to political activities. In California you have an absolute right to decline that and instead have that portion of your dues go to a charity.

All unions both private and public support politicians who support them I'm truly baffled as to why you think it's 'illegal'. Corporations give hundreds of millions of dollars to politicians who they think will support their agenda how is that different?
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Old 08-26-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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Recent use isn't the same as current use. The LAPD for example doesn't allow people to join if they smoked weed in the last 2 years. That could be changed to 3 months and the pool of potential officers would be widened incredibly. That would not be the same as allowing current users to join,
With recreational marijuana being legal in California I don't think this is even going to be an issue, how could it be? It would be like refusing to hire a cop who has had a drink of alcohol in the past 2 years. And I just don't see it as a way to 'entice' applicants to apply to a Police Department that offers a crappy pension or or other benefits.
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Old 08-26-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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electioneering? What are you talking about? A portion of a union members dues go to political activities. In California you have an absolute right to decline that and instead have that portion of your dues go to a charity.

All unions both private and public support politicians who support them I'm truly baffled as to why you think it's 'illegal'. Corporations give hundreds of millions of dollars to politicians who they think will support their agenda how is that different?
private corporations are not spending public funds to pay CBAs.

don't know if you understood the implication of using monthly dues to elect a public officials
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Old 08-26-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: La Costa, California
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private corporations are not spending public funds to pay CBAs.
Private corporations are negotiating public contracts with the same polititions they gave money to. Public funds go to pay for these sweetheart deals. You know aircraft carriers, jets etc.

So, again, how is that different? (actually, I know how it's different. It's the wealthy doing it as opposed to an ordinary worker)
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Old 08-26-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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I don't know how a Californian could help it, if they want to own a house. I've always lived in flyover country, and never had a house cost over $250k. If my house cost $750k, it would certainly skew my balance sheet....and not in a good way.
Certainly today that may be the case but if you bought 20 years ago as we did for $175k when a similar house in a major city in "flyover country" would've been $125k you end up with a paid off house that today is worth $1.1M (coastal CA) vs $250k in the Midwest, and big city salaries to boot. Not as high here as many cities but enough for a couple of late, State college grads to have a nearly $250k gross annual family income with $0 debt heading into retirement in 3 years at 56. Not everyone is saddled with debt here, there are literally millions of folks in better situations than us here as well. Not bragging, (we are but solidly middle class around these parts) just saying there are opportunities here.
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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Not that I can see
With collective bargaining rights public sector unions have way more political influence than private sector unions.

This is why - with the exception of repealing 13 - I will not support another tax increase in CA until the Rodda Act is repealed.
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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With collective bargaining rights public sector unions have way more political influence than private sector unions.

This is why - with the exception of repealing 13 - I will not support another tax increase in CA until the Rodda Act is repealed.
It looks like private sector unions do pretty darned good when it comes to political contributions.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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Private corporations are negotiating public contracts with the same polititions they gave money to. Public funds go to pay for these sweetheart deals. You know aircraft carriers, jets etc.

So, again, how is that different? (actually, I know how it's different. It's the wealthy doing it as opposed to an ordinary worker)
they bid public contracts, don't they?
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