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Old 09-16-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The problem is the US needs to rethink how it builds houses, highrises, and condos. An 8 floor apartment building is a waste of land, make it 80 floors. If so many people want to live in CA then give them easy access to small affordable studio apartments, and let them live a minimalist lifestyle.

A lot of people don't care about having a 2 bedroom apartment if they can live in a small apt that's affordable, and they want to live in CA, they will make it work.
I don't see how condos and high-rises are going to work. More and more millennials will get married and start having children. When Americans get married and have children, they like the biggest place they can afford.

250 million dollars is a joke. That would be less than 100 million dollars for Los Angeles County and much of it would likely go to studies, consultants and architects anyway.

Most people won't consider apartments, especially in California where people will go deep into debt buying the very best and won't settle for anything less.

Small studio apartments won't work in California outside of San Francisco as the state is extremely oriented towards families with children.

I am constantly stunned each time in Los Angeles how it is such a married with kids type of city with the extreme housing costs and extreme taxes.
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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They aren't building affordable. That's just not how it is going to work. How many can afford a 2000 loft or studio? Because that's what they are going for. Making 7 more floors of them isn't going to bring the price down.
Right, more apts/condo's will not bring the priced down. Builders and landlords want to make money. They would build enough to keep the price up. They can't keep up with demand now at current prices.

If the Gov't wants cheap housing, where are they going to get the money to buy the land and build them? Oh, taxes which makes it harder for people to live in CA and the vicious circle keeps going around and around and ....

You live in CA if you can afford it or do not mind living 20 to a house. If you can't afford, it improve your income or .... move. No one has a right to live in CA.
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Old 09-16-2017, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Right, more apts/condo's will not bring the priced down. Builders and landlords want to make money. They would build enough to keep the price up. They can't keep up with demand now at current prices.

If the Gov't wants cheap housing, where are they going to get the money to buy the land and build them? Oh, taxes which makes it harder for people to live in CA and the vicious circle keeps going around and around and ....

You live in CA if you can afford it or do not mind living 20 to a house. If you can't afford, it improve your income or .... move. No one has a right to live in CA.
And watch jobs evaporate as working people leave. Again, no grocery stores, no movie theatres, no bowling alleys, no restaurants, no retailers etc if everyone of lower income did that. And btw, there are occupancy laws that limit the amount of people that can co-habitate
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Old 09-16-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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Right, more apts/condo's will not bring the priced down. Builders and landlords want to make money. They would build enough to keep the price up. They can't keep up with demand now at current prices.

If the Gov't wants cheap housing, where are they going to get the money to buy the land and build them? Oh, taxes which makes it harder for people to live in CA and the vicious circle keeps going around and around and ....

You live in CA if you can afford it or do not mind living 20 to a house. If you can't afford, it improve your income or .... move. No one has a right to live in CA.
They already do it in other countries, but whatever, keep fooling yourself and acting like the US isn't being completely stupid in regards to how we build. More highrises built is BETTER for the state, local governments, and businesses.

A couple of rich people building a mansion in CA doesn't help the economy more than 1800 people in a highrise.
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Old 09-16-2017, 09:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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And watch jobs evaporate as working people leave. Again, no grocery stores, no movie theatres, no bowling alleys, no restaurants, no retailers etc if everyone of lower income did that. And btw, there are occupancy laws that limit the amount of people that can co-habitate
Like lib Govt will enforce occupancy laws. Hahahahahaha If they did, half of LA wouldn't exist. The reality is, we are going global. If you can't afford it here on the coast, NO ONE CARES. There is an endless supply of immigrants with deep pockets that can pay to live here.

The longer you "affordable housing" types spin your wheels the funnier it gets. I want to live in La Jolla but I know I can't afford it. Reality. So is the robot burger flipper at Mickey Ds.
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Like lib Govt will enforce occupancy laws. Hahahahahaha If they did, half of LA wouldn't exist. The reality is, we are going global. If you can't afford it here on the coast, NO ONE CARES. There is an endless supply of immigrants with deep pockets that can pay to live here.

The longer you "affordable housing" types spin your wheels the funnier it gets. I want to live in La Jolla but I know I can't afford it. Reality. So is the robot burger flipper at Mickey Ds.
No one is saying everyone should be able to afford La Jolla, but when people can't afford Chula Vista, National City, or San Ysidro, that is when you have an undersupply of housing!
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:02 AM
 
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The problem is is no one wants to look at whose creating the housing bubble in California. Yes California along with the nation is in another housing bubble. The Federal Reserve has kept interest rates too low for too long again and sooner or later it's going to bite them firmly in the buttocks. I also believe that we really need to rethink the idea of capital gains on real estate transactions, something needs to be done to run house flippers out of the market. They've pretty much have destroyed affordable starter homes in my area.
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Old 09-17-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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And watch jobs evaporate as working people leave. Again, no grocery stores, no movie theatres, no bowling alleys, no restaurants, no retailers etc if everyone of lower income did that. And btw, there are occupancy laws that limit the amount of people that can co-habitate
There are people there right now and many live in one house in large numbers. the alw allows a LOT of people to live in a single home.

California Housing Laws http://legalbeagle.com/12167016-occu...alifornia.html


The California Health and Safety Code is mostly the same as the Uniform Housing Code. The Uniform Housing Code requires that residential units have at least one room with an area of at least 120 square feet and that other rooms to be lived in be at least 70 square feet. If more than two people sleep in a bedroom, it must be at least 50 square feet larger for every additional occupant sleeping in that room. Different requirements apply to efficiency units. Similar to federal law, the California Fair Employment and Housing Act prohibits discrimination against families with minor children in many housing-related matters, including home rentals. Both federal and California laws contain exemptions such as for elderly housing and housing owned by private clubs or religious organizations.

OK, my last house in CA had 4 bedrooms and each was about 120 plus sg ft soooo. At least 12 people could live and sleep there. Then no city even bothers to check on occupancy rates.

Now if we count the bonus room, office, family room and such, then around 22 people could live there.

They manage, and in many jobs low income earners have, robots will and are replacing them.

Restaurants will always have college students working in them, ditto for theaters and similar.

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Old 09-17-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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They already do it in other countries, but whatever, keep fooling yourself and acting like the US isn't being completely stupid in regards to how we build. More highrises built is BETTER for the state, local governments, and businesses.

A couple of rich people building a mansion in CA doesn't help the economy more than 1800 people in a highrise.
Nope, the cities that have that type of occupancy are very old and were built up over time to fit that. CA can't do that now, there isn't enough money on earth to pay for it. NO transportation like say London, Paris or NYC have, so the crowding will just make things worse. Trying to find a spot on the beach would be ridiculous. Ditto most other places.

Then where does the water come from?

Most home sin CA are not mansions, so that argument does not work. Just because you want to live there does not mean people who do and have a nice house, should sell it and have it torn down so you can live in a building on the property with 1800 people in it. It is called "life" make enough or ............... move.

Mind you I left and I can afford to live there, but I see the mess it is becoming and left to avoid it. Living there is becoming less and less desirable. Except for a lot of people who live like you want and got out of that type of mess and bought in ... CA. They have learned what you have not.
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Old 09-17-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Sierra County
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one of the best ways to get housing costs under control, do away with single family housing. California may be huge, but factor in the rough terrain, and the needed agricultural land, california doesn't have much land left. Single family housing needs to go.
+ 1 million!!!
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