Another California tax increase: Bill to tax refinancing to raise 250 million a year (for sale, mobile home)

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by wanderlust76

The problem is the US needs to rethink how it builds houses, highrises, and condos. An 8 floor apartment building is a waste of land, make it 80 floors. If so many people want to live in CA then give them easy access to small affordable studio apartments, and let them live a minimalist lifestyle.

Gawd -- think of all the extra traffic.

A far better solution is to export people. Export, say, 10% of the population and the price of housing will come down.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Educate the masses of ignorant voters. That's really the only way...but then again some people can't be educated on facts because of their personal biases.

Nope as the homeless issue is not about what people do not know it is about what some people do not want to do.

There are a couple of basic groups.

1. Homeless due to lack of income and yet they want to work
2. Drug and alcohol abusers
3. Mentally unstable
4. Those who want the "freedom" such a life brings

OK how does educating those who are not in those groups help?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Justin Scott

What exactly are we paying for that cannot be found in other states? There are a lot of Republican states run much better. Like Nevada, for instance. I've lived in blue states and this state is just ridiculous. Tax this, tax that.....but we never hear the word "cut".

Create a process for easier immigration into the state, tax EVERYONE. Anyone that doesn't want to be here legally needs to leave. Use the money saved and new tax revenue to provide Universal Healthcare, free two year college and trade schools, also boost funding for education. Raising taxes is ridiculous. Cut back on what can be controlled.

First some Red states are run better. However there isn;t any way to tax people to the extent needed without creating more homeless. Yes CA is badly run due to being a one party State. IF it were a One Party Red State the same problems would exist. Oops there are homeless in Red States too and I know I currently live in one. Yes ejecting illegals would help some, but a lot of the monetary problems are related to lousy spending, special interest groups and the Unions. You speak of free this and that, but it is never free. Someone has to pay for it. You give a very6 broad statement of ways, with no explanation on how they would actually be implemented and where the money would come from. Do you really think the current legislatures would do what you want and if not, who (by name) would?

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Nope as the homeless issue is not about what people do not know it is about what some people do not want to do.

There are a couple of basic groups.

1. Homeless due to lack of income and yet they want to work
2. Drug and alcohol abusers
3. Mentally unstable
4. Those who want the "freedom" such a life brings

OK how does educating those who are not in those groups help?

I think you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about educating the homeless in your 4 groups.

I was strictly speaking about educating the voting population. How do you educate Climate Change deniers? How do you educate fundamental religious groups trying to push their anti-science agenda on the population? How do you educate those who are die hard socialists that raising taxes and throwing money at a broken system is not the solution? How to you educate the voters in CA that if taxes are raised they should be raised on everyone and not only the people making the highest salaries?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I think you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about educating the homeless in your 4 groups.

Neither was I. I was speaking about how do you solve it. Educating everyone else does not change the 4 groups.

I was strictly speaking about educating the voting population.

Why; they have not learned by now, what makes you think they ever will?

How do you educate Climate Change deniers?

You can't because man cannot change the problem. More people in any area actually changes the climate there. SoCal is a good example, it is not like it was in the 60's and is getting worse.

How do you educate fundamental religious groups trying to push their anti-science agenda on the population?

How do you educate scientific groups that are as blind as fanatical religious groups, Stupidity exists on both sides.

How do you educate those who are die hard socialists that raising taxes and throwing money at a broken system is not the solution?

Both sides are wrong and neither side can change as change only really exists when those at the top make a change. The last election showed the voting population as having minimal impact on the power structure.

How to you educate the voters in CA that if taxes are raised they should be raised on everyone and not only the people making the highest salaries?

You can't, because they do not want their taxes raised. They have seen how that does not work. Remember the top 1% pays more than 50% of the taxes raised now. To make a change would require beggaring everyone.

[SierraCountyMtnBiker]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Oh, so people who want and/or own a SFH are not important, but people who can't afford one get to dictate to everyone else because of what they want??? Move to AZ,NV,OR,WA or to a State you can afford; OR get a better job.

Umm....duh. Poor people cannot afford to move to the locations you are demanding. Not too bright are you?? put a sock in it

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by SierraCountyMtnBiker

Umm....duh. Poor people cannot afford to move to the locations you are demanding. Not too bright are you?? put a sock in it

The poor will stay, but those we are talking about are the ones who want to buy a home, thus have a job and are not homeless; and if they can't afford CA, move.

Try to stay on topic.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

No one is saying everyone should be able to afford La Jolla, but when people can't afford Chula Vista, National City, or San Ysidro, that is when you have an undersupply of housing!

Guess where a lot of people I work with live. Tijuana. Looks like they found a solution to high housing prices.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by SierraCountyMtnBiker

Umm....duh. Poor people cannot afford to move to the locations you are demanding. Not too bright are you?? put a sock in it

Please. The money made from one day of begging could get you a bus ticket out of here. For many that's how they got here to begin with.

[SierraCountyMtnBiker]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Please. The money made from one day of begging could get you a bus ticket out of here. For many that's how they got here to begin with.

Interesting. I never knew pan-handling was so lucrative.

They need tiny homes. Our zoning here in California needs to allow for such. That will help allow people to live within their means.