Is California an INTOLERANT place (to non Liberal views etc)? (Berkeley: fit in, university)

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

I don't know. Maybe to not p1ss people off enough to make them want to key your rig? Just a thought. Should you have to? Of course not. But you still realize folks get pissed by it. So its a decision at that point. Stand your ground, potentially get keyed, or possibly operate more discretely. 100% your choice off course. And I'm not justifying any wrong they've done to you. Its just being aware of what is setting people off around you and then making a decision.

So, the topic is intolerant to anyone "non liberal". I guess that answers that. The party of tolerance. What a joke.

Exactly why I switched parties and the tolerant libs can KMA.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

I don't know. Maybe to not p1ss people off enough to make them want to key your rig? Just a thought. Should you have to? Of course not. But you still realize folks get pissed by it. So its a decision at that point. Stand your ground, potentially get keyed, or possibly operate more discretely. 100% your choice off course. And I'm not justifying any wrong they've done to you. Its just being aware of what is setting people off around you and then making a decision.

All I just read is "I'm not blaming the rape victim but she probably shouldn't be wearing a skirt that short"

[waffleiron1968]

Originally Posted by Electrician4you

Here is my take on any give away program. There should be a opt out on any of those things. If you want to have healthcare free this or that feel free to pay higher taxes out of YOUR income. Don't force me to pay for it.
I bet lots of people would opt out. See it's onto have these programs as long as "the rich" or "someone else" is paying for it. As soon as you have to open your wallet I bet you get T-Rex arms.

I am happy to pay extra tax for universal healthcare. That said, if there was an opt-in/opt out system and the 'outers' didnt then receive free healthcare, I'd be ok with it. What I dont want to see if the free rider problem. If you dont wish to pay in - fine, but then that person would not be eligible to receive care through the system.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by waffleiron1968

I am happy to pay extra tax for universal healthcare. That said, if there was an opt-in/opt out system and the 'outers' didnt then receive free healthcare, I'd be ok with it. What I dont want to see if the free rider problem. If you dont wish to pay in - fine, but then that person would not be eligible to receive care through the system.

I'm ok with that too, but, the problem is the number of people who can't afford to pay in. They don't really have a choice. Your model gives health care to those that can afford it, but not all. So how is that "universal".

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

All I just read is "I'm not blaming the rape victim but she probably shouldn't be wearing a skirt that short"

Not really, its more about being street smart. If you walk into certain neighborhoods in LA with the wrong color you could get shot, plain and simple. I've worked in some of those neighborhoods. Its not a judgement, just the reality of the hood. In other words, know your surroundings. If you decide to wear Red because its a free country, have it. That's your decision.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

The state is Democrat run and owned and that isn't changing anytime soon.

It would change soon when Trump gets rid of the illegals. That means Democrats will lose power because a majority of their votes are from illegals.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by waffleiron1968

However, on to the question, do you guys think California is outright intolerant to non-Liberal views?

Of course they are, just like with any hardcore liberal state. Go put a Trump bumper sticker on your car and drive through California. They'll be protesting and rioting. In fact, UC Berkeley is one of the most liberal colleges. Actually more like a daycare center for grown adult babies who need their safe space.

[Chimérique]

I think California has become very intolerant politically.

Think of it like this: If we reversed our current situation and the legislature was overwhelmingly conservative, the left would think our state was intolerant. How often do you hear conservative religious people speak out openly by themselves about their conservative ideologues in public, or in a college class room. It doesn't happen. How about young people who stand on busy street corners asking for donations to various liberal causes. I've never seen a young person stand on a street corner and ask for money/donations for conservation causes or groups.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by waffleiron1968

Himself. Thanks.

To be sure, I am not saying I find it intolerant as a centrist-Liberal. I was asking if non-liberals (or not radical liberals to be precise) find it intolerant of their beliefs.

Fair enough. I fall into that camp as both an independent and definitely not a radical liberal. To be completely honest, I do think some intolerance exist wherever one lives which also includes CA in part. It can come from both sides of the aisle however and therefore both are guilty of it to varying degrees. I personally have experienced it more from my conservative friends/family whenever I question the party line.

However, to be fair I've also heard it from the other side as well mostly in the schools. Some university professors can be extremely biases and vindictive to students who question their liberal ideologies. So instead of teaching young adults to critically think for themselves they attempt to strong arm them into their ideologies or face the consequences in the form of bad grades as a punitive result.

Still, I don't think its the norm for the majority of residents liberal or not on a day in day out basis. But there are pockets.

Derek

[RosieSD]

Originally Posted by Kevdawgg

It would change soon when Trump gets rid of the illegals. That means Democrats will lose power because a majority of their votes are from illegals.

Do you have data to back this statement up?

While I don't doubt that some non-citizens vote in elections, I find it hard to believe that illegals make up the majority of voters in California elections, democratic or otherwise.

So, if you have factual data to support your theory that illegal voters are the reason reason Democrats are being elected in California, I'd be very curious to see that data.