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Old 10-12-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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You know, and she knows. Everyone reading this thread knows. There is no "justification" except a political pandering one.
Yea. But it's interesting seeing all the deflection.

By the way, I really recently learned that the census includes Illegal immigrants in their counts. Which is interesting because CA can have get more representative, that's besides the Illegals and their children voting.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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Yea. But it's interesting seeing all the deflection.

By the way, I really recently learned that the census includes Illegal immigrants in their counts. Which is interesting because CA can have get more representative, that's besides the Illegals and their children voting.
If illegals weren't counted than Maxine Waters' district would be eliminated. She gets re-elected because of so many people in her district being illegals, making the actual electorate more like how the district was when she first started representing it. (For all L.A. Dems like to complain about gerrymandering and reduced voter turnout in the Midwest and South, they love reducing voter turnout in Los Angeles as that ensures their re-election).

I'm sure what applies to Waters' district also applies to at least one Central Valley Republican district, too.

BTW the US born children of illegals voting is perfectly legal. I don't know why you think it's not.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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Of course its legal. But it's a guaranteed (D) vote, let's not pretend otherwise.

Thanks for that insight, btw.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Of course its legal. But it's a guaranteed (D) vote, let's not pretend otherwise.

Thanks for that insight, btw.
As are votes from Los Angeles in general regardless of the parentage of the voters involved.

BTW it didn't have to be this way, and the reason it is, is the California Republican Party's own fault. The Texas and Florida GOP did things differently and that's why things are not the same in those states. It's impossible to imagine a red California today with the state's current borders but it's possible to imagine a purple California today if a few things had been different back in the '90s. L.A. would be blue but O.C. , S.D., the I.E. and Sacramento wouldn't be....
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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What did the GOP do wrong?
What did Pete Wilson do that neither George W. Bush nor Jeb Bush did?
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:10 AM
 
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He endorsed prop 187?
Exactly.

Without which he would have lost but which would have prevented California from being the deepest blue of states. We might have even had a Latino Republican governor by now like Nevada and New Mexico.

Texas and Florida went in the opposite direction.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:59 AM
 
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Local politicians have not legislated immigration law. In California the legislature codified their local response to federal immigration law.
Actually yes they did. They are the "legislature." It's kind of what they do. These bills aren't handy suggestions one can choose to go along with or not, but literally prohibit certain actions by law enforcement. Immigration is entirely the purview of the federal government; there should be ZERO state or municipal laws mentioning immigration or immigrants at all.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:02 AM
 
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That is absolutely untrue. There is no federal law requiring that local authorities investigate or report suspected violations of immigration law.
Supremacy clause. Local authorities have no right to to pick and choose whether to obey federal immigration law, nor do they have the right to ignore/obstruct/withhold information from federal agencies.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why should they? Do you think people who are arrested admit to the jail that they are in the US illegally? Should jails call ICE on everyone who speaks Spanish and doesn't have an ID card on them? Maybe you should go visit the booking center at the LA county jail and then tell me how much time the staff has to interrogate prisoners about their immigration status and make phone calls to ICE.
If they need more staff they should hire them. People need jobs; sounds like a win-win to me.

And since you're so concerned about poor, underbudgeted, and overburdened local law enforcement just crumbling to pieces by having to lift a finger to cooperate with ICE, I assume you feel this way about their cooperation with all non-local agencies? Califiornia law enforcement should rightfully refuse to work with Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon LE if someone is a fugitive from justice in those states too, right?
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:09 AM
 
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Believe it or not police have the ability to determine identity. Like fingers prints.
Oh no! Not...asking questions! Not....making phone calls! Not....doing their job!
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