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Old 10-11-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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And local politicians are not supposed to legislate immigration law.
Local politicians have not legislated immigration law. In California the legislature codified their local response to federal immigration law.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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"Enforcing federal immigration law" is basically call the Feds when you arrest someone who is here illegally so that after the local issue is addressed then charges can be brought on the federal crime.
That is absolutely untrue. There is no federal law requiring that local authorities investigate or report suspected violations of immigration law.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Local politicians have not legislated immigration law. In California the legislature codified their local response to federal immigration law.
Against the interest of the United States and it's citizens. They violated their oath. Local LEO agencies worked with ICE just fine up until now.its also interesting that this is specific to ICE, local LEO still get to work with other federal agencies.

Can you imagine if local LEO couldn't hold a criminal for FBI, DEA, US Marshall, etc.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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Against the interest of the United States and it's citizens. They violated their oath. Local LEO agencies worked with ICE just fine up until now.its also interesting that this is specific to ICE, local LEO still get to work with other federal agencies.

Can you imag
They haven't violated any oath. And the relationship between ICE and local LE has sucked for a very long time. There is legal precedent that shows that the federal government cannot coerce local and state LE to enforce federal law.
  • In Prigg v. Pennsylvania (1842), Justice Joseph Story held that the federal government could not force states to implement or carry out the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793. He said that it was a federal law, and the federal government ultimately had to enforce it.
  • In 1997, county sheriffs in Montana and Arizona sued over requirements in the gun-regulating Brady law that local law enforcement officers conduct background checks for firearms permits. Citing several previous cases, the Supreme Court ruled with the sheriffs that the federal government couldn’t compel states to administer the Brady law.
  • In the 2012 case that preserved Obamacare, the court found that withholding all federal Medicaid funding from states that refused to join in the Affordable Care Act violated the Constitution’s 10th Amendment, which establishes states’ rights.

It's curious that people have so much difficulty understanding this
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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Your opinion of it sucking is purely subjective and has nothing to do with upholding our constitution and protecting out citizens.

And also, not sure what coercing has anything to do with this law that intentionally severs and blocks local LEO working with feds, specifically ICE. Illegal aliens still broke the law and are deportable. How about passing laws to block local leo from working with other federal agencies? That sure won't fly.

Why are people so motivated to protect Illegals? I don't know.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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Your opinion of it sucking is purely subjective and has nothing to do with upholding our constitution and protecting out citizens.

And also, not sure what coercing has anything to do with this law that intentionally severs and blocks local LEO working with feds, specifically ICE. Illegal aliens still broke the law and are deportable. How about passing laws to block local leo from working with other federal agencies? That sure won't fly.

Why are people so motivated to protect Illegals? I don't know.
Which federal laws local law enforcement currently enforces? When's the last time you saw a local cop investigate tax fraud?
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Which federal laws local law enforcement currently enforces? When's the last time you saw a local cop investigate tax fraud?
What are you talking about? Local LEO work on task forces with feds all the time.

Just imagine these sanctuary laws applying to other agencies. DEA can't conduct workplace raids? Local leo won't hold people under federal investigation? That dog don't hunt.

Please let's not pretend this is only for protecting Illegal aliens.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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What are you talking about? Local LEO work on task forces with feds all the time.
Just imagine these sanctuary laws applying to other agencies. DEA can't conduct workplace raids? Local leo won't hold people under federal investigation? That dog don't hunt.
Please let's not pretend this is only for protecting Illegal aliens.
I don't think there's any point in trying to discuss this with you, you don't seem to understand the difference between federal and state law and who is responsible for enforcing each.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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I don't think there's any point in trying to discuss this with you, you don't seem to understand the difference between federal and state law and who is responsible for enforcing each.
Again, what are you talking about? I never said anywhere that local leo should be enforcing immigration laws. Lol.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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That is absolutely untrue. There is no federal law requiring that local authorities investigate or report suspected violations of immigration law.
And he federal government doesn't have to provide money to those organization who refuse to make a phone call.

The question is which you prefer: 1. Local police notify ICE of illegal aliens that have been arrested and are in custody or 2. ICE spends its time enforcing immigration laws in neighborhoods instead of jails.
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