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Old 01-26-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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Is anyone else here old enough to remember being given paper straws as a kid in a restaurant, then you tear off the end of the paper covering, pull it down just a little, then blow into the straw to send the paper covering flying across the room? Big fun.

Then one day, they didn't work so good anymore. The paper ends just blew open on the other end, without the paper sailing away, it just stayed on the straw with the end blown out. That was a sad day.

So, we need a rider in the bill. We will vote yes to no more plastic straws, as long as the paper coverings on the new paper straws are thick and strong enough that we can blow them across the room once again.

And while we're at it, we need to make some demands on the little raisin boxes, too. You used to be able to eat the raisins, then put the box in your mouth and blow, and it would whistle loudly. The new ones don't do that anymore, either.

They're probably plastic coated paper. First straws, next raisin boxes....

I remember! Both the straws and the raisin boxes! Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

 
Old 01-27-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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Does it concern anyone, at all, that the California voting base has moved so radically to the left that they may elect a bunch of communists/socialists who want to do things like come after private property rights or outlaw gas/oil or socialize healthcare and totally destroy the state? If i'm a business owner, without major lobbying power, I would be extremely concerned about what the future of CA looks like at this point.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Why on earth would any of you live there? Total lunatics running your state, insane taxes and insane COL.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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I have to laugh at all the haters. If your state was a highly successful state like CA, where all the major issues have been resolved, your legislature too would have time to devote to the smaller crises like straws.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 09:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The number one thing is still cig butts. I ride all over the State and every single red light will have a pile of cig butts which, as we all know, go right into the storm drains.

I still see people surfing after a rain and SMH.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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The fact of cig butts are totally true they are the real environmental hazards more than everything. But they seems relatively ignored. As long as people are not smoking indoors or in specific outdoor locations there seems not much political attention devoted to this. I guess big tobacco won't tolerate any more controls on their products.

This state has never been highly successful in decades. They always ignore real issues and focus on non issues.

It appears California and many coastal cities in the around the countries as well as coastal city wannables in their interior feel its their duty to fulfill their International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives duties, or local implementation of the supposingly "voluntarily" Agenda 21. The awful thing is that any part of the world is not safe if politicians are embassing progressivism and brainwashed to give in to this. Sierra Club and Surfriders foundation have strong lobbying powers around the country and world. Though it all a matter of how many politicians they can brainwash. Left leaning ones often give in in a whelm.

The comment about voting is correct, less the 10% of the population can now control the rest. Remember prior to November 11, 2016 most shoppers or nearly 90% in grocery markets all around the state where the cashier actually offered them a choice voted for plastic bags and used them to carry their groceries home. Yet the the 10% successfully voted to take their choice away.

Doesn't it sound ironic, the state decriminalized certain types of drugs under freedom of choice but now you want to criminalize use of straws?

Both parties are marching in lockstep with the Police state just sometimes in different manners. But interesting they flame each other for doing so in a different way.

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Old 01-27-2018, 11:40 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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The fact of cig butts are totally true they are the real environmental hazards more than everything. ... I guess big tobacco won't tolerate any more controls on their products.
I agree about the cigarette butts ... but I'm curiously amused to hear more about what you think big tobacco can do about controls on their products. They're in what position, exactly, to protest? What power do you think they have anymore?

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This state has never been highly successful in decades. They always ignore real issues and focus on non issues.
Ah. So, single-use plastics pollution, contributing to the obscenely damaging dumping of “5 bags of plastic garbage annually for every one foot of coastline ...” isn't a “real issue” for you? Ok.

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The comment about voting is correct, less the 10% of the population can now control the rest. Remember prior to November 11, 2016 most shoppers or nearly 90% in grocery markets all around the state where the cashier actually offered them a choice voted for plastic bags and used them to carry their groceries home. Yet the the 10% successfully voted to take their choice away.
Do tell us how “10%” out voted 90%. Looking forwad to the math lesson ...
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Doesn't it sound ironic, the state decriminalized certain types of drugs under freedom of choice but now you want to criminalize use of straws?
No, it doesn't sound a bit ironic - since there is zero connection between the issues.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: South Pasadena
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Does it concern anyone, at all, that the California voting base has moved so radically to the left that they may elect a bunch of communists/socialists who want to do things like come after private property rights or outlaw gas/oil or socialize healthcare and totally destroy the state? If i'm a business owner, without major lobbying power, I would be extremely concerned about what the future of CA looks like at this point.
None of that concerns me because none of it is happening. We are not electing "a bunch of communists/socialists". In general we elect left leaning Democrats that propose and enact legislation that we see as beneficial. None of us are coming after your private property, none of us want to outlaw gas or oil. We would like to see healthcare improved in this country and most of us feel the best course of action is single payer of some sort. So yeah, guilty on the "socialize healthcare" thingy.

For the most part business owner's in this state and country have major lobbying power. In the days of Citizens United money equals voice and business owner's and corporations have lots more money, and therefore a louder voice, than the rest of us.

BTW - The title of this thread is misleading. One CA Democrat, and maybe a couple of bill sponsors, are considering the straw ban. The rest of us think that is nutty and my guess is it won't go anywhere. So suck your plastic straw and be content.
 
Old 01-27-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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None of that concerns me because none of it is happening. We are not electing "a bunch of communists/socialists". In general we elect left leaning Democrats that propose and enact legislation that we see as beneficial. None of us are coming after your private property, none of us want to outlaw gas or oil. We would like to see healthcare improved in this country and most of us feel the best course of action is single payer of some sort. So yeah, guilty on the "socialize healthcare" thingy.

For the most part business owner's in this state and country have major lobbying power. In the days of Citizens United money equals voice and business owner's and corporations have lots more money, and therefore a louder voice, than the rest of us.

BTW - The title of this thread is misleading. One CA Democrat, and maybe a couple of bill sponsors, are considering the straw ban. The rest of us think that is nutty and my guess is it won't go anywhere. So suck your plastic straw and be content.
I agree with your sentiments ... until the bolded line. I don’t think it’s a “nutty” proposal at all. But then I live on a boat in the midst of all this floating, completely unnecessary, single-use plastic detritus.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: South Pasadena
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I agree with your sentiments ... until the bolded line. I don’t think it’s a “nutty” proposal at all. But then I live on a boat in the midst of all this floating, completely unnecessary, single-use plastic detritus.
I agree about the scourge of single use refuse that degrades our environment. For me, the nutty part is the proposal to criminalize the behavior of the waiters in order to reduce the amount of plastic straws used. I'm all for reducing unnecessary waste. If one of our elected representatives wants to propose, debate and possibly enact reasonable legislation that would work to eliminate unnecessary plastic straw use I'm OK with that. It's been almost 3 decades since we worked to ban polystyrene fast food containers and we recently enacted legislation to ban single-use plastic bags at retail outlets.

In the mean time there is something we can all do to help. Don't use plastic straws. I started thinking that there is no need for me to use a straw when drinking my iced tea at Denny's. When I'm at work I use a little plastic stirrer to mix Splenda in my coffee, but if I just put the sweetener in before I pour the coffee no need for a stirrer. I'll probably still use a plastic straw with my Big Gulp.
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