California Democrats considering passing law to jail waiters who offer unsolicited straws (to buy, homeless)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Give that ban on blister packs a little time.

https://www.greenerpackage.com/regul...lifornia_trend

One can only hope ...

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

No. It doesn’t come down to whether you believe in personal liberty or not. It comes down to whether people have even half the brains god gave a gnat ... and they don’t ... or they wouldn’t sh*t the bed they sleep in metaphorically (as in trash our environment that supports us all).

You can “believe in personal liberty” and that “people should take responsibility for their actions” till the cows come home. I agree they are nice fantasy concepts. But truth is: 10,000 years of human civilizations since emerging from the caves has demonstrated without a doubt that people are stupid and short sighted as hell and typically do not take much responsibility for their actions as a rule.

Therefore, regretably: rights must be restricted for society to function safely and in good health. Tch.

As for stainless steel straws, I never suggested anything about them. I think the concept is hilariously stupid. Nobody needs straws to begin with (except for certain disabled folks and people who get punched in the mouth).

Funny how demanding accountability for maintaining a clean, healthy, attractive environment is negatively characterized as “virtue signaling” ... as if “virtue” is a dirty word?

Ok comrade. Let me go check with my government overload to determine the proper way to respond.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Ok comrade. Let me go check with my government overload to determine the proper way to respond.

Lol, brotherman

Funny thing is: I agree in principle with the desirability of your beliefs ... I just know it’s fantasy ... history proves it.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

I don’t hear anyone complaining about that. Same about plastic bottles.

You don't hear anyone complaining about plastic bottles? They're non grata in many, many CA locales now. No legislation, but you'll be given the stink-eye if you show up with one.

Cutting down on single-use plastic is becoming a trend. Good.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

It basically boils down to if you believe in personal liberty or not.
I do believe in it. And people should take responsibility for their actions; not have their rights restricted because of what someone else might do.
The amount of plastic in blister packaging is way higher. I don’t hear anyone complaining about that. Same about plastic bottles.
Again the amout of energy needed to make stainless straws is way higher than hundreds of plastic straws. The average life cycle of a stainless straw before lost/damaged ends up causing more pollution than single use straws. But you don’t get to virtue signal to everyone else with facts. Same is true for plastic bags.

The plastic used in plastic straws does not breakdown well, it's considered a 'single use plastic' Blister packs and bottles are far easier to recycle. But here's the thing...I was around long before plastic straws became popular and did just fine with paper straws, they work just as well and don't pollute the oceans - so why pout and stomp your feet over "your right" to have a plastic straw?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

You don't hear anyone complaining about plastic bottles? They're non grata in many, many CA locales now. No legislation, but you'll be given the stink-eye if you show up with one.

Cutting down on single-use plastic is becoming a trend. Good.

Make a choice to do something is fine, I only use multi use bottles. Mandating it is not; just because I think something is a good idea doesn’t mean the power of the government at gun point should be used to enforce that idea upon everyone.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

The plastic used in plastic straws does not breakdown well, it's considered a 'single use plastic' Blister packs and bottles are far easier to recycle. But here's the thing...I was around long before plastic straws became popular and did just fine with paper straws, they work just as well and don't pollute the oceans - so why pout and stomp your feet over "your right" to have a plastic straw?

Because I don’t need the government telling me what I should or shouldn’t do when I am not impacting others.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Because I don’t need the government telling me what I should or shouldn’t do when I am not impacting others.

Except single-use plastics pollution IS impacting others.

And 10,000 years of human civilization demonstrates quite clearly that we DO, in fact, need government intervention.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Ever use a paper straw? They work pretty good for about 15 seconds.

Yup. Used one for the first time recently (at a restaurant in Mountain View), and it was like trying to drink from - well - PAPER!! And I need to use a straw for “medical” reasons, since my teeth are highly sensitive after having so much work done on them. I complained to the server, who agreed they aren’t ideal, and said I hope they can come up with a better alternative. I’m all for conserving the environment, but they need to give us viable substitutes before everyone will get on board.

[Tulemutt]

So, how did humanity survive and prosper without straws of any kind for a few hundred thousand years?

Talk about “first world problems”!