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Old 08-21-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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There were no other issues.
And we wonder why healthcare is so expensive here?

 
Old 08-23-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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"A few Republicans who once called for the repeal of Obamacare are now even embracing it, albeit cautiously."

Once their rallying cry, Obamacare is suddenly a sticky campaign issue for Republicans
I think the reality is that: A) Politics are stupid, and B) At some point in our lives we all need some form of healthcare, and nobody wants to go broke getting it. Being able to live should not be a luxury.

The sooner we fix this stupid system, the sooner we can move on. Let's just bite the bullet and be done with it already. I would gladly pay a few percent more out of my paycheck every month if it meant everyone's healthcare needs were taken care of.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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I would gladly pay a few percent more out of my paycheck every month if it meant everyone's healthcare needs were taken care of.
I would too.

But, do you HONESTLY think it would be enough for the people who are asking for universal healthcare?

I don't think a "few percent" is going to cut it.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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I would too.

But, do you HONESTLY think it would be enough for the people who are asking for universal healthcare?

I don't think a "few percent" is going to cut it.
Yep, much more for sure. There would be no deductible or co-pays and that adds up to a LOT that would come from an increase in "tax" to pay for it and .... politicians don't care as they get better coverage now and YOU pay for it.


Maybe a part of the law is no one can get any other medical insurance period. That includes all politicians, fed Employees, State, County, City, etc. Everyone gets treated the same. Even the Pres.


That might get decent health care available.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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The assumption that “a few % more” wouldn’t cut it is based on medical costs being as they are now under HMO system management. This incredibly inefficient system, which is a virtually criminal ripoff of the public’s dollars, is not required for healthcare delivery.

So, “a few % more” might well be sufficient IF the insurance business was cut out of the equation. Medical / health care doesn’t need to cost what it does.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Yep, much more for sure. There would be no deductible or co-pays and that adds up to a LOT that would come from an increase in "tax" to pay for it and .... politicians don't care as they get better coverage now and YOU pay for it.


Maybe a part of the law is no one can get any other medical insurance period. That includes all politicians, fed Employees, State, County, City, etc. Everyone gets treated the same. Even the Pres.


That might get decent health care available.
A no-kidding move towards universal health care would require a number of significant changes to be made to the current system for it to be efficient and cost effective. Waste/fraud/abuse, administrative bloat, redundancies, medical school costs, physician salaries would all need to be scaled back. The entire system would need an overhaul. Cuts made to physician salaries could be offset by offering doctors a better work-life balance and lower medical school costs. Pay them a bit more than doctors in the EU to prevent brain drain.

We could even adopt a universal but private-sector based model like Switzerland's. Basically closer to what we have now but with much more stringent regulation, significant subsidies for the needy, competition across state lines, and an insurance mandate.

Health Care Reform: The Swiss Model Might Work in America | Fortune
 
Old 08-28-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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The assumption that “a few % more” wouldn’t cut it is based on medical costs being as they are now under HMO system management. This incredibly inefficient system, which is a virtually criminal ripoff of the public’s dollars, is not required for healthcare delivery.

So, “a few % more” might well be sufficient IF the insurance business was cut out of the equation. Medical / health care doesn’t need to cost what it does.
You don't need to cut insurance companies out of the equation.

You just need actual price transparency. Insurance is the cheapest its been for decades in the car industry, the reason is because car parts, car maintenance procedures actually have transparent labor costs.

Get government out of health care completely, and let the private sector work towards 100% price transparency.
 
Old 08-28-2018, 10:52 AM
 
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You don't need to cut insurance companies out of the equation.

You just need actual price transparency. Insurance is the cheapest its been for decades in the car industry, the reason is because car parts, car maintenance procedures actually have transparent labor costs.

Get government out of health care completely, and let the private sector work towards 100% price transparency.
Health care and car parts are not equivalencies, CR. And the private sector is exactly what has created the health care debacle we all live with now. The private sector can’t be trusted to be in the slightest bit concerned with supporting good health or health care. The private sector is what delivers all the products that support most of modern illness as it is.
 
Old 08-28-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Health care and car parts are not equivalencies, CR. And the private sector is exactly what has created the health care debacle we all live with now.
Totally wrong. The private sector did not obfuscate health care "actual" costs, that was medicare/medicaid/etc. This was actually by design (if you know anything of the history of government run health care).

As for health care and car repairs are not equivalencies. Why not?
 
Old 08-28-2018, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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Totally wrong. The private sector did not obfuscate health care "actual" costs, that was medicare/medicaid/etc. This was actually by design (if you know anything of the history of government run health care).

As for health care and car repairs are not equivalencies. Why not?
Government run healthcare is the worst thing we can do. You end up with poor quality rationed healthcare.
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