Californians making below $50,000 keep leaving (San Francisco, Sacramento: rental, tenant, landlord)

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by skygazer1

People saying "good riddance" and moving away? Most of them regret it sooner than later, realize the "grass is NOT greener", life and environment in AZ, TX and FL sucks in comparison. Sure there's many cheaper places to live in the country, but they are cheap for a reason.

At least they don't have to deal with overcrowding and commuting to work in clogged highways

[skygazer1]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

At least they don't have to deal with overcrowding and commuting to work in clogged highways

True, the traffic in many parts of SoCAL is bad, real bad. But, use your mobile device and sigalert.com to plan alternates! Not overcrowded at all compared to say NY or Tokyo! Except for a few select high density areas, vast majority of LA is one big sleepy suburb with broad, quiet streets

[dvxhd]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

At least they don't have to deal with overcrowding and commuting to work in clogged highways

Oh? I moved to LA from Phoenix and in my first apartment there it took me 45 minutes to drive 6 miles to work (mostly freeway). In my last apartment there, about 20 minutes to drive 2 miles (streets only). While I'm not familiar with Florida, I'm familiar with Arizona and Texas, and will gladly take the "overcrowding" in LA compared to whatever the hell you want to call it in those two states; both are like sprawling trailer parks. I felt like Phoenix/Arizona is a place you go to die, when you've given up on trying and just want to throw away the rest of your life in bland, cheap tract housing in an endless sea of super suburb. In my experience, in AZ and TX you'll also hear a lot of asinine justification as to why they need to remind themselves why they settle to live there ("at least I can buy a big house," "it's a dry heat," "this is real America," etc.) As I always say, you can't go to the bowels of America and not expect to be mired in s***.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by skygazer1

Why puzzling about the high COL in CA? The answer is simple, because coastal CA is the best place to live in the US. Here's a short list of why....

Not quite. The fact that California has been underbuilding for 30 years now has a lot to do with high prices.

Even the New York Times said it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/u...ng-crisis.html

..the churning economy has run up against 30 years of resistance to the kind of development experts say is urgently needed. California has always been a desirable place to live and over the decades has gone through periodic spasms of high housing costs, but officials say the combination of a booming economy and the lack of construction of homes and apartments have combined to make this the worst housing crisis here in memory.

[skygazer1]

Originally Posted by dvxhd

I felt like Phoenix/Arizona is a place you go to die.

Oh you'll certainly pass to the other side in that "nice dry" 120 degree Phoenix summer...

[skygazer1]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Not quite. The fact that California has been underbuilding for 30 years now has a lot to do with high prices.

That's certainly true too. But, thanks to Coastal Commission, the development is kept reasonable to preserve quality of life. Filling SoCal with skyscrapers full of people, would destroy that quality totally. The infrastructure, highways, are already strained to the limit with the current population, no way can you just build out to infinity, and have anything remaining of a pleasant life!

[dvxhd]

Originally Posted by skygazer1

Oh you'll certainly pass to the other side in that "nice dry" 120 degree Phoenix summer...

Oddly, people there justify living in that godawful climate with all kinds of mantras ("it's a dry heat," "if you think it's bad here, live in XXX," "you can't shovel sunshine," etc.), but they certainly seem to spend a lot of time indoors April through October when triple digits hit. Granted climate wasn't a factor for why I left, but rather everything else that makes "cities" (using that term VERY loosely) like that what they are, but I certainly don't miss it being in triple digits after midnight.

[JJonesIII]

Originally Posted by skygazer1

People saying "good riddance" and moving away? Most of them regret it sooner than later, realize the "grass is NOT greener", life and environment in AZ, TX and FL sucks in comparison. Sure there's many cheaper places to live in the country, but they are cheap for a reason.

Do you have any stats to support your viewpoint? And since we both know that answer is "no", I'll chalk it up to purely a subjective opinion.

I happen to think retirement has some bearing on quality of life also. So does living in a beautiful and spacious house instead of a box. I always find it ironic how people can spend 80-85% of their lives at work or home and yet downgrade the importance of a dwelling and commutes to work in massive traffic. Or having to skimp in their retirement years rather than travel and really enjoy life with the money people are able to save in lower cost of living areas.

If money isn't a concern, than I think people should live wherever they like best. But I'll never be one to casually brush aside financial security for theme parks and beaches I would never go to (haven't been to one in over a decade). The diversity thing is hogwash. I know San Francisco is predominately White and Asian. There are also plenty of scenic areas all over the country (you really should get out more). Of course, it's hard to recognize these things when one has a "holier than thou" attitude in respect to where they live.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by JJonesIII

Do you have any stats to support your viewpoint? And since we both know that answer is "no", I'll chalk it up to purely a subjective opinion.

I happen to think retirement has some bearing on quality of life also. So does living in a beautiful and spacious house instead of a box. I always find it ironic how people can spend 80-85% of their lives at work or home and yet downgrade the importance of a dwelling and commutes to work in massive traffic. Or having to skimp in their retirement years rather than travel and really enjoy life with the money people are able to save in lower cost of living areas.

If money isn't a concern, than I think people should live wherever they like best. But I'll never be one to casually brush aside financial security for theme parks and beaches I would never go to (haven't been to one in over a decade). The diversity thing is hogwash. I know San Francisco is predominately White and Asian. There are also plenty of scenic areas all over the country (you really should get out more). Of course, it's hard to recognize these things when one has a "holier than thou" attitude in respect to where they live.

Those posters are obviously young and in stupid party mode. Hopefully someday they'll see the light and get smart. And not pick a place to live because it has 6 flags magic mountain

[ndindy]

Originally Posted by dvxhd

Oh? I moved to LA from Phoenix and in my first apartment there it took me 45 minutes to drive 6 miles to work (mostly freeway). In my last apartment there, about 20 minutes to drive 2 miles (streets only). While I'm not familiar with Florida, I'm familiar with Arizona and Texas, and will gladly take the "overcrowding" in LA compared to whatever the hell you want to call it in those two states; both are like sprawling trailer parks. I felt like Phoenix/Arizona is a place you go to die, when you've given up on trying and just want to throw away the rest of your life in bland, cheap tract housing in an endless sea of super suburb. In my experience, in AZ and TX you'll also hear a lot of asinine justification as to why they need to remind themselves why they settle to live there ("at least I can buy a big house," "it's a dry heat," "this is real America," etc.) As I always say, you can't go to the bowels of America and not expect to be mired in s***.

There is TONS of traffic in Florida, Texas, and Arizona......Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, Tampa, Houston......all have traffic at least as bad or worst than the places people are trying to leave.