Californians making below $50,000 keep leaving (Los Angeles, San Diego: sales, renter, subsidized)

[expatCA]

Yep I laugh every day at the cost of living in CA and the congestion, traffic, high gas cost, exorbitant fees, State income tax and poor governance. Glad you agree.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by aewan68

Here we go wit the infamous "No Income Tax" Line, well not sure how much it matters when you will be paying it elsewhere in high property taxes, car, homeowners and health insurance, on top of housing to buy or rent which is very expensive.

Uh, you do know there is a calculation that is taken every year that shows overall tax burden right which includes all SALT, gas taxes, cell phone taxes, food taxes, etc?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Uh, you do know there is a calculation that is taken every year that shows overall tax burden right which includes all SALT, gas taxes, cell phone taxes, food taxes, etc?

You will not make people happy doing this.

Note Fees are higher and more of them than in most areas as well.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by expatCA

You will not make people happy doing this.

Note Fees are higher and more of them than in most areas as well.

The truth rarely makes everyone happy.

The TRUTH in this case is that the vast majority of people only think of property tax, and income tax when considering tax burden. Everything else they consider "little" or "arbitrary". But the final aggregated costs of such "other" taxes is not arbitrary at all.

Paying 50 cents more per gallon, paying a utility rate that is 300% higher than the neighboring state, paying 200% for a carbonated beverage, a local minimum wage (which acts effectively as a tax because it socializes its costs) or even paying 10 cents for a plastic bag ALL adds up. These are forms of taxation that 99% of people simply ignore or don't consider in their tax burden calculation.

[Luckystrike1]

Yes, people are leaving. But people are moving in, too, and when I was in Sacramento last Sept I noticed the growth in the mere year since I was there.

So people ARE making big $$$ elsewhere besides just in California.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by expatCA

FL is not cheap living in So FL, but in general the State is better from a COL standpoint that CA. There are places in to live in CA that are less expensive than the coast, but a LOT longer drive than in FL to the places people want to visit and enjoy.

Other than a thin strip of sand where it's tolerably cool for 6 months out of the year, where do people want to "drive to and enjoy" in Florida?

Honest question. When I lived there, I didn't leave the barrier islands from April through October (unless chased off by a hurricane). Like not even to cross the river to hit up WalMart. My impression of Florida inland from the beach was that it was nothing but swamp, skeeters, and sweat.

I guess I went to Bithlo for the demolition derby, but that was at night, and doused in DEET and properly boozed up to make it tolerable.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Other than a thin strip of sand where it's tolerably cool for 6 months out of the year, where do people want to "drive to and enjoy" in Florida?

Honest question. When I lived there, I didn't leave the barrier islands from April through October (unless chased off by a hurricane). Like not even to cross the river to hit up WalMart. My impression of Florida inland from the beach was that it was nothing but swamp, skeeters, and sweat.

I guess I went to Bithlo for the demolition derby, but that was at night, and doused in DEET and properly boozed up to make it tolerable.

I agree, I like Miami (tolerably like), but the rest of Florida is butt.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Other than a thin strip of sand where it's tolerably cool for 6 months out of the year, where do people want to "drive to and enjoy" in Florida?

Honest question. When I lived there, I didn't leave the barrier islands from April through October (unless chased off by a hurricane). Like not even to cross the river to hit up WalMart. My impression of Florida inland from the beach was that it was nothing but swamp, skeeters, and sweat.

I guess I went to Bithlo for the demolition derby, but that was at night, and doused in DEET and properly boozed up to make it tolerable.

In So Fl yes a pain, further North much better. Remember more people move to FL than out and more people move out of CA than move in, from other States.


The humidity is not my favorite climate "gift", but my lips, skin and throat love it and hated the low humidity in SoCal.


To each their own, but bad mouthing a whole State, CA, Fl, TX, KS, etc shows either ignorance, arrogance or stupidity.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I agree, I like Miami (tolerably like), but the rest of Florida is butt.

Not where I live. Very much like Newport Beach in the 60's and 70's but warmer water.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by 49erfan916

I am one of these people who left the state. I loved it out there but I couldn't reasonably afford my home.

So how are you doing 49erfan , I wasn't aware that you left us in the Golden State of California , to move on to bigger and better things. I was going to leave the state of California when I retired , and guess what II retired in March 2018 , and is rethinking my decision to leave the state , well maybe 2020 or 2030.