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Old 09-30-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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Nope.. Prop. 13 is no longer considered a political 3rd rail. I provided a link in my previous post to a current Cal. ballot measure this year designed to chips away at Prop. 13.


Democratic governor hopefuls take on single-payer care, Prop. 13 changes

On Prop. 13, Villaraigosa and Eastin said reforms are needed in the 1978 measure that capped property-tax increases for homes and businesses. Under the law, properties can be reassessed only when they change ownership. Because many commercial properties change hands infrequently, they are often assessed at decades-old rates.

Eastin, who served eight years as the state’s superintendent of public instruction, called for more regularly assessing commercial and industrial real-estate property values to raise more money for schools. “Disneyland is paying what they paid in 1975,” she said. “It’s time to review Prop. 13.”

Villaraigosa said he didn’t vote for Prop. 13 in 1978 and wasn’t a big fan of it now. “We’ve got to fix Prop. 13, period,” he said. “Prop. 13 is broken.”

After the debate, Villaraigosa said he wants to make sure all aspects of the landmark tax law are reviewed, not just commercial rates. “Everything ought to be on the table,” he said.

Neither Chiang nor Newsom mentioned Prop. 13 when asked about how the state’s tax system should be reformed.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/arti...r-12303473.php



Two of the four candidates clearly come out in favor of discussing changes to Prop. 13.

The other two ducked the issue. Their campaign staff probably isn't sure which way this is going. So for now it's best to stay quiet and keep their options open.
So much disinformation put out by Eastin...

No one is paying the same as they did in 1975... the 2% inflation factor is part of Prop 13...

As to Disney, a place where construction never stops???

All new construction is taxed at the time of construction... this is also Prop 13.

Prop 13 is a very simple couple of paragraphs... the intelligence level of Eastin's comments indicates never having read it.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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Why do I love California? Beautiful weather, interesting geography: oceans, mountains, open fields, nature! majestic redwoods, granite waterfalls, rivers - and they are protected by law (mostly) or at least people are concerned about protecting nature. Also: economic opportunities, great schools, excellent health care, progressive politics, culture - live music, theater, etc. Prop 13 should not apply to commercial/corporate real estate IMHO.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:00 PM
 
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Why do I love California? Beautiful weather, interesting geography: oceans, mountains, open fields, nature! majestic redwoods, granite waterfalls, rivers - and they are protected by law (mostly) or at least people are concerned about protecting nature. Also: economic opportunities, great schools, excellent health care, progressive politics, culture - live music, theater, etc. Prop 13 should not apply to commercial/corporate real estate IMHO.
but its a necessary alliance because who else is going to advocate for homeowners? public union money? LOL!!
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:02 PM
 
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Why do I love California? Beautiful weather, interesting geography: oceans, mountains, open fields, nature! majestic redwoods, granite waterfalls, rivers - and they are protected by law (mostly) or at least people are concerned about protecting nature. Also: economic opportunities, great schools, excellent health care, progressive politics, culture - live music, theater, etc. Prop 13 should not apply to commercial/corporate real estate IMHO.
Well said!
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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People in CA especially natives take the good things here for granted. Having lived in the east and Midwest there are soooo many things to love here. For example, low humidity, few bugs, snow nearby but not covered by it, culture, etc. Good luck to those leaving who are looking for a perfect place.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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People in CA especially natives take the good things here for granted. Having lived in the east and Midwest there are soooo many things to love here. For example, low humidity, few bugs, snow nearby but not covered by it, culture, etc. Good luck to those leaving who are looking for a perfect place.
There is no perfect place. Many find a better place. It is preference.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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Why do I love California? Beautiful weather, interesting geography: oceans, mountains, open fields, nature! majestic redwoods, granite waterfalls, rivers - and they are protected by law (mostly) or at least people are concerned about protecting nature. Also: economic opportunities, great schools, excellent health care, progressive politics, culture - live music, theater, etc. Prop 13 should not apply to commercial/corporate real estate IMHO.
The only reason Prop 13 exists is because the voters had enough... remember gas lines, energy crises, double digit property tax increases, auto industry on the ropes, corruption in the Assessor Offices, Stagflation, etc...

Simply indexing the Home Owner Exemption would have pacified the masses... but even such a simple move was too much... it was not that long ago the Home Owner exemption covered 50% of the value of a modest home... those that had luxury homes saw less benefit and commercial no benefit... it was too simple a fix.

Politicians never believed Prop 13 had a chance... government, unions, teachers, police, fire all came out against it... after all, California simply did not have enough voting home owners to pass the measure.

At the 11th hour the State even put a competing measure on the ballot... it was a Prop 13 with a higher rate... it too went down.

And then there was the fallback... even if Prop 13 passed it would never stand... well the US Supreme Court weighed in and that was the end of that.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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The only reason Prop 13 exists is because the voters had enough... remember gas lines, energy crises, double digit property tax increases, auto industry on the ropes, corruption in the Assessor Offices, Stagflation, etc...

Simply indexing the Home Owner Exemption would have pacified the masses... but even such a simple move was too much... it was not that long ago the Home Owner exemption covered 50% of the value of a modest home... those that had luxury homes saw less benefit and commercial no benefit... it was too simple a fix.

Politicians never believed Prop 13 had a chance... government, unions, teachers, police, fire all came out against it... after all, California simply did not have enough voting home owners to pass the measure.

At the 11th hour the State even put a competing measure on the ballot... it was a Prop 13 with a higher rate... it too went down.

And then there was the fallback... even if Prop 13 passed it would never stand... well the US Supreme Court weighed in and that was the end of that.
Could you expand on the bolded? Was indexing proposed? How would it work? What homeowner exemption, and when was that "not that long ago" time? Are you saying, that 50% of the home's value was exempt, when calculating the tax owed?

More info needed.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Could you expand on the bolded? Was indexing proposed? How would it work? What homeowner exemption, and when was that "not that long ago" time? Are you saying, that 50% of the home's value was exempt, when calculating the tax owed?

More info needed.
The California Constitution provides a $7,000 reduction in the taxable value for a qualifying owner-occupied home. The home must have been the principal place of residence of the owner on the lien date, January 1st

Although California has a homeowners exemption it has been "inflated away" to such an extent that it is virtually non-existent. It remains a mere $7000 — the same amount it has been since 1974

In 1972 the median home price was $34610... just a number I remember... here in East Oakland we had many below and well below median value homes... there were homes the city was "Selling" for $1 if you moved in for 5 years and made some repairs at that time.

In the early 1980's there were still plenty of 15 to 20k homes. Friends paid 14k for their dump... and it was but they were both working minimum wage with a newborn and embraced the challenge... the 7k Home Owner Exemption reduced their assessed value by 50%...

Last I checked the least expensive home here is pushing 300k... more than 20 fold increase in 30+ years.

The last serious push I know to raise and index the Home Owner Exemption was Assembly Bill 293 by Assembly Members Audra Strickland (Ventura/North Los Angeles counties) and John Benoit (Riverside County) about 12 years ago.

When Prop 13 became law Dad was PTA president of the local public school... as kids we blanketed the neighborhood with flyers paid for by the PTA urging a no vote on Prop 13... Paul Gann was a speaker to the PTA and said the only thing Sacramento understands is votes and attempts to index were not even entertained.

I believe a meaningful Home Owner Exemption would have staved off Prop 13... as for some with modest homes it provided up to a 50% reduction of Property Tax and Estate Homes still received the same 7k reduction but was less meaningful the more expensive the home or well to do the owner...

Commercial Property is not eligible for the exemption and values would follow the market.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:40 PM
 
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Hey Ultrarunner, isn't it time for us homeowners to ask our elected officials to look into raising that exemption? I mean c'mon. Like you said, it's been the same since the 70's. Everything else increases due to inflation. How about that exemption, too?
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