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Old 09-14-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I don't care what my politicians (including Trump) do in the bedroom, as long as it's consensual and legal. Why should I? My own father had an affair, which later turned into a now 20-year marriage, and it didn't change my love for him - or the fact that he was a wonderful father. Sexual behavior and leadership aren't directly connected, nor do I believe the old adage that "it's a reflection of one's moral turpitude." No, it's just sex. And I'm sure if we all opened up our personal lives to scrutiny, we'd each have a few skeletons in our closets too.

Point being, if they can effectively govern a state/country, I couldn't care less who they slept with when or how. The fact that Trump is a horrible president has nothing to do with that, but it is interesting how he (and only he) got a pass from his supporters.
I have no response for this statement, it wouldn't matter to you if I did.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:49 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I have no response for this statement, it wouldn't matter to you if I did.
Nope, it wouldn't. But I don't want you to mistake that for me saying "it's OKAY to have an affair," because it's really not. I am only saying that it doesn't negate everything else about a person's character, if they are otherwise a good person. Good people and leaders still make mistakes sometimes, and I am okay with separating those issues... just as I can still love and respect my father for everything else he's done in 71 years, despite the fact that he had a misstep 20 years ago. Would you like to be judged FOREVER for any one of your mistakes? Assuming you aren't perfect, of course, since nobody is.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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I'm not defending Gavin Newson at all but you're just focusing on the bad and not giving any credit to SF's good qualities like it's low unemployment, robust and innovative tech economy, very high education attainment, high salaries, etc... People still come to SF despite all of it's problems because the positives outweigh the negatives.
Most of the nation has low unemployment now. These past couple years have been great on the United States.

I can't come close to the area for Tech sector jobs. Many companies have opened up locations in other places though. Your area is the leader when it comes to the industry.

We also have a high cost of living area. In Ventura County the numbers are similar to San Francisco. Housing and rental cost are high, although not as high as San Francisco. We do have homes in the area that are in the 9 figures though. A 50 year old home in my city would set you back half a million easy. Sure not like the prices in San Francisco for sure. Still higher than most of the Nation though.

Incomes are similar. I am in the 6 figure club. If we are talking average income I am doing fine. I realize you also have people making 7, 8, and 9 figures. I get that. How prevalent is that though?

As far as coming to San Francisco or the Bay area I have talked to people that would not make that move, read within these threads of people that would not make that move, read here in CDF of people that were moving because the cost of living is high and it was not worth it to make the big bucks for so little benefit.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Have you ever even lived here? If not, then kindly worry about your own part of the state. And the red states/cities have their own (often much worse) problems, so "liberalism" isn't really the issue... it's more of a population vs economy problem, which crosses all party lines. To put it simply.

And for the most part, California and the Bay Area are doing better than much of the country. We still have a thriving economy, low unemployment rates, plenty of tourism (too much at times), and everything else that keeps it so desirable to live and visit here. I'm okay with a little feces and homeless folks in SELECT neighborhoods of SF, which is really how it is, as a trade-off for all the great things about this area. If it sucks so much, why are we still here? And why aren't you in Surprise AZ by now?

P.S. We already have a zillion-page thread discussing "feces-gate," so you should go there if you want to discuss it further. This thread is about Newsom's wealth.

We have over 3 million illegals in California. Liberal Policies are destroying the state. Gas cost more here than in almost every other state, While I own a home, our kids may not be able to afford to buy here. Liberal policies have made it so developers have to take decades before a project can get built. The Unions have too much hold on Sacramento.

Surprise AZ was a plan from 2007. It did not work out when the home prices fell and jobs disappeared. Luckily for me I have been at the same Hospital for over 20 years now and love it as I always have. Back in 2010 prices were very low and we bought our home. Our plans changed and we decided to stay in Oxnard.

I hate that people leave the state because of politics. I want to fight the good fight and turn this state back to its roots. I want to see a Conservative Governor and Legislature running things. I will do what ever I can to help that happen. I stay because this state that I love is worth saving from the Liberal Socialist agenda that the Democrats have thrust on the people of California.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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We have over 3 million illegals in California. Liberal Policies are destroying the state. Gas cost more here than in almost every other state, While I own a home, our kids may not be able to afford to buy here. Liberal policies have made it so developers have to take decades before a project can get built. The Unions have too much hold on Sacramento.

Surprise AZ was a plan from 2007. It did not work out when the home prices fell and jobs disappeared. Luckily for me I have been at the same Hospital for over 20 years now and love it as I always have. Back in 2010 prices were very low and we bought our home. Our plans changed and we decided to stay in Oxnard.

I hate that people leave the state because of politics. I want to fight the good fight and turn this state back to its roots. I want to see a Conservative Governor and Legislature running things. I will do what ever I can to help that happen. I stay because this state that I love is worth saving from the Liberal Socialist agenda that the Democrats have thrust on the people of California.
So you stayed in a liberal-run state, because the very conservative Arizona doesn't have a strong enough economy? And I'm pretty sure they have a much bigger problem with "illegals" than California does, too. Hmmm.

Bottom line: We need GOOD leadership, whether it comes from the right or the left... and this blind partisan hate will get us nowhere.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:18 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Most of the nation has low unemployment now. These past couple years have been great on the United States.

I can't come close to the area for Tech sector jobs. Many companies have opened up locations in other places though. Your area is the leader when it comes to the industry.

We also have a high cost of living area. In Ventura County the numbers are similar to San Francisco. Housing and rental cost are high, although not as high as San Francisco. We do have homes in the area that are in the 9 figures though. A 50 year old home in my city would set you back half a million easy. Sure not like the prices in San Francisco for sure. Still higher than most of the Nation though.

Incomes are similar. I am in the 6 figure club. If we are talking average income I am doing fine. I realize you also have people making 7, 8, and 9 figures. I get that. How prevalent is that though?

As far as coming to San Francisco or the Bay area I have talked to people that would not make that move, read within these threads of people that would not make that move, read here in CDF of people that were moving because the cost of living is high and it was not worth it to make the big bucks for so little benefit.
The Bay Area has far outperformed the nation as a whole though with its economy growing at double the rate the past three years.

You're also comparing a suburban area part of a larger metro (LA) to SF.

I don't really care about who you know or see on City Data that wants to or doesn't want to move to SF, not sure what your point was there. My point was though if you want to blame Newson or "liberalism" for all of SF's ills then you need to give him or it credit for its positives too. Seems like a double standard on your and others part.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Default You can't blame Gavin Newsom for SF's current problems

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Newsom and people like him have turned your city into a shytehole. You had a large medical convention that had been coming for years cancel because of the homeless and safety issues. Yeah, ol’ Gavin is a great choice.
Can Trump supporters not do simple math? The (unnamed as-far-as-I-know) medical conference cancellation occurred in July, just two months ago.

Gavin Newsom served as Mayor of San Francisco from 2004 to 2011, which means he has not been mayor for the past seven years.

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Old 09-14-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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So you stayed in a liberal-run state, because the very conservative Arizona doesn't have a strong enough economy? And I'm pretty sure they have a much bigger problem with "illegals" than California does, too. Hmmm.

Bottom line: We need GOOD leadership, whether it comes from the right or the left... and this blind partisan hate will get us nowhere.
Very true. It’s easy to get emotional in these matters. This election reminds me of the presidential one. Really no good choice.

I can’t stand the liberal politics here but one thing we all have to remember is that these crazy people (to me) running this state didn’t overthrow it. They were voted in, so it’s the will of the people. Just remember that because if Newsom gets in, taxes are going to skyrocket.

And it doesn’t bother me if he has a lavish lifestyle. Most politicians do.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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Can Trump supporters not do simple math? The (unnamed as-far-as-I-know) medical conference cancellation occurred in July, just two months ago.

Gavin Newsom served as Mayor of San Francisco from 2004 to 2011, which means he has not been mayor for the past seven years.
Too bad you missed the “people like him” in my post. He may not have been mayor but he was just as responsible since it was more of the same policies.

You’re just as bad as the Trump supporters you detest.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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I don't care if. Newsome rides in a Royals Royce to the no tell motel which he probably does.

What I care is he's already said he wants to raise taxes, keep the bullet train to nowhere. Keep us a sanctuary state and welcome all the illegals he can. Turn our health care to socialized medicine. Chip away at prop 13. Not one word on the homeless epidemic. Basically be Brown x 100 because he dosn't have the brains or will to improve anything. Correct me if I'm wrong Newsome dosn't get down to so cal very often and won't do debates so I'm even less clear on his platform then I was on Hillarys. But let's vote for him because he hates Trump
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