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View Poll Results: How will you vote on Prop 6?
Yes 50 61.73%
No 31 38.27%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-25-2018, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Leaning no...but it's still blank.



I may not like how some of the money is spent, and would love to vote against the actual projects....but simply ripping out the funding source subsequently probably isn't the right move either. This, like most of these, are not best left to a proposition vote.
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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YES on 6. We need to send a message to the politicians and govt employees and public unions. NO MORE !
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Leaning no...but it's still blank.



I may not like how some of the money is spent, and would love to vote against the actual projects....but simply ripping out the funding source subsequently probably isn't the right move either. This, like most of these, are not best left to a proposition vote.
This "source" has only been around a short time. Read this, if transportation needs were top priority they would have funded them first. Instead, they had this new tax in mind all along and simply chose to push it through because they knew they could without a tax payer vote.

YES on 6

https://www.atr.org/gov-jerry-brown-...tax-california

Gov. Brown and other gas tax proponents often claim they need to raise taxes again because transportation is a “top priority” for them. However, Gov. Brown and other gas tax proponents, by claiming a tax hike is needed, are actually admitting that transportation needs are their last priority. Were that not the case, they would not have funded everything else in the budget first.
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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YES on 6. We need to send a message to the politicians and govt employees and public unions. NO MORE !
Public unions already felt the effects of retribution at the SCOTUS.
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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I didn't see that one coming. I thought for sure she was going to win. Glad I didn't bet the farm. :
Um, Ms. Clinton DID win the popular vote by about 3M. We have the current inhabitant of the White House because the Electoral College did not function as intended and because of manipulation of the outcome by foreign agents in certain key swing state districts: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...tion-for-trump

The man is, and always has been, a fraud.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Many Sacramento residents received “Vote No on Prop 6″ mailer.

Blazoned across the cover of this four page, 8.5″ x 11” glossy full color flyer, is Darrell Roberts, representing the California Professional Firefighters. Roberts is the president of IAFF Local 2180, the Chula Vista Firefighters Union. In addition to his duties as president of Local IAFF Local 2180, Roberts is a Fire Battalion Chief for the Chula Vista Fire Department. In that capacity, he earned $327,491 in 2017, including $99,887 of overtime.

Of course, firefighters earn and deserve respect. No doubt about it.

A California Policy Center analysis published nearly two years ago, using 2015 data, calculated the average pay and benefits for a California firefighter at $196,370 for those employed by cites, $198,959 for those working for counties, and $145,938 for those working for the state. Those averages have not fallen in the past three years, and they do not include the additional cost per firefighter, if and when their retirement pensions are adequately funded.

Mr. Robert’s own City of Chula Vista provides an example of these rising pension costs. In 2017 the average pay for a Chula Vista firefighter was $189,715. That included, on average, $41,112 for overtime and $31,381 for employer contributions to their defined benefit pensions. But as they say, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Using CalPERS own projections for the City of Chula Vista, the average normal contribution by the city to fund police and firefighter pensions is expected to grow from 20 percent of payroll in FYE 6/30/2017 to 22 percent of payroll by FYE 6/30/2025. Nothing terribly dramatic there. But, get this, the so-called unfunded contribution – that additional amount necessary to pay down the city’s unfunded liability for police and firefighter pensions – is expected to grow from 13 percent of payroll in FYE 6/30/2017 to 32 percent of payroll in 6/30/2025.

Put another way, the City of Chula Vista’s employer payments for public safety pensions are going to go from 33 percent of payroll to 53 percent of payroll by 2025. Currently, the stock market is on a roller coaster ride. If it impacts the value of the CalPERS portfolio, then all governmental entities will be required to pay even more.

Collectively California’s state and local employers, based on projections already released from CalPERS, are going to have to increase their total contributions to public employee pension funds from approximately $31 billion in 2017 to an estimated $59 billion by 2025.

Maybe veteran firefighters truly believe they are entitled to annual pay and benefits packages in excess of $200,000 per year, or in Mr. Roberts case, in excess of $300,000 per year. But with all the political power these unions wield, they ought to be thinking of ways to help lower the cost-of-living in California. That would help everyone.

And perhaps it may disturb even the most respectful and appreciative among us, when a public servant who made $327,491 last year, asks us to support higher taxes.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:29 AM
 
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Um, Ms. Clinton DID win the popular vote by about 3M. We have the current inhabitant of the White House because the Electoral College did not function as intended and because of manipulation of the outcome by foreign agents in certain key swing state districts: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...tion-for-trump

The man is, and always has been, a fraud.
Thanks for the history lesson but you can dial it back. Not sure why you're jumping on my comment. I wasn't defending Trump and I agree with you about the man. Haven't been a fan of his since the 70's. Looks like CaliR isn't the only person who woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Good grief.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Oh yeah Darrell is a true patriot- millionaire first responder.
Sporty- check out the chp guy's salary- SB- 1 was about money for salaries- we were already paying for all road work.
YES on 6- repeal the gas and registration tax!!
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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There are lots and lots of Darrells
Think they want Gavin as well as defeat of 6?
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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There's billions in surplus, why can't they use that? Isn't that what it's for?
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