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View Poll Results: How will you vote on Prop 6?
Yes 50 61.73%
No 31 38.27%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-25-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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including $99,887 of overtime.[/b]
a battalion chief and still earns OT? wow..

an officer or one in supervisory position is not supposed to be earning OT anymore because you are expected to work more than 8/hrs a day if its necessary

dont know why elected officials dont check on these abuses during CBAs

there's reason bureaucrats are not supposed to be campaigning for candidates. they are supposed to be neutral
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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Remember this gas and car tax increase is for the rest of your life.
This is such an important point. A NO vote will forever prevent voters from voting on all car and gas tax increases in the future. A NO vote is a vote to give away not only your rights as a voter, but that of your children and grandchildren as well. A NO vote gives corrupt politicians ultimate control over you on this matter.

Vote YES on Prop 6. Vote for your rights to vote on this matter in the future. Vote for the rights of your children and grandchildren to vote on this matter in the future.
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Interesting that this poll shows a larger percentage of "yes" votes when news outlets are reporting that it's going to fail. This is why I don't give much credence to polls.
I would love for this poll to represent how Californians will vote. But how accurate is this poll, since people who don't live here can vote on it too?

If you voted YES, the work isn't done yet. Don't rely on this poll. Don't be complacent. Call, email, reach out to everyone you know and show them why we need to Vote YES on Prop 6.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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This is such an important point. A NO vote will forever prevent voters from voting on all car and gas tax increases in the future. A NO vote is a vote to give away not only your rights as a voter, but that of your children and grandchildren as well. A NO vote gives corrupt politicians ultimate control over you on this matter.
What?

A NO vote will allow the legislature to vote another gas tax hike in the future with a 2/3rd vote HOWEVER there is nothing stopping voters from:

-- electing new legislators who will repeal any gas tax increase, or

-- passing a proposition to repeal any gas tax increase.

A NO vote will NOT give away anyone's rights as a voter. Please don't spread falsehoods.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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"It’s a ballot measure only a pothole could love — and anyone who believes that a $130-billion maintenance backlog can be fixed by magic."

Vote NO. It’s hard to overstate how destructive Proposition 6 would be for California: It
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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What?

A NO vote will allow the legislature to vote another gas tax hike in the future with a 2/3rd vote HOWEVER there is nothing stopping voters from:

-- electing new legislators who will repeal any gas tax increase, or

-- passing a proposition to repeal any gas tax increase.

A NO vote will NOT give away anyone's rights as a voter. Please don't spread falsehoods.
No falsehoods here, but the real truth. I am talking about voter's right as it relates to future gas and tax increases. A YES vote on Prop 6 will make politicians put any future gas tax increases before voters for a vote. A NO vote will let politicians pass any future gas tax increase without voter participation, thus taking away voter's right to vote on it.

Vote YES on Prop 6 for your rights and that of future generations.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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Its hard to say how people would vote these days.
That is based on the last two elections only a very small percentage of the state's 40 million people vote. and measures are often decided in the single digit millions or roughly 8% of the population. And of course as always progressive voters, often those members of similar interest groups would outnumber all the others. I bet they will be supporting new taxes all the time.

Referedums are confusing anyways sometimes you vote yes to repeal sometimes you vote no to repeal. No consistency this really confuses voters.

Though at least California's gas tax did not cause the same outrage as the deregulation of gasoline companies and elimination of government subsidies back in 2017 did in Baja California and Mexico. Their prices went up from $2.40 - $2.90 that Jan essentially from the high Arizona average to the high range of California's station prices. Prices in SD averaged about $2.80 at the same time. Triggering a reverse direction crossing for cheaper gasoline. Until the CA tax hike later that year in addition to oil market hikes that drove it to $3.20
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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a battalion chief and still earns OT? wow..
Yeah - that caught my eye as well.

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an officer or one in supervisory position is not supposed to be earning OT anymore because you are expected to work more than 8/hrs a day if its necessary
Technically, that's an "exempt" position - exempt from the requirement to pay OT. There isn't a preclusion from paying OT -- and I presume during contract negotiations the union secured OT for management/supervisory positions even though you and I look at it and shake our heads.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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Its hard to say how people would vote these days.
That is based on the last two elections only a very small percentage of the state's 40 million people vote. and measures are often decided in the single digit millions or roughly 8% of the population. And of course as always progressive voters, often those members of similar interest groups would outnumber all the others. I bet they will be supporting new taxes all the time.

Referedums are confusing anyways sometimes you vote yes to repeal sometimes you vote no to repeal. No consistency this really confuses voters.

Though at least California's gas tax did not cause the same outrage as the deregulation of gasoline companies and elimination of government subsidies back in 2017 did in Baja California and Mexico. Their prices went up from $2.40 - $2.90 that Jan essentially from the high Arizona average to the high range of California's station prices. Prices in SD averaged about $2.80 at the same time. Triggering a reverse direction crossing for cheaper gasoline. Until the CA tax hike later that year in addition to oil market hikes that drove it to $3.20
This is so true. I posted about my state worker cousin's entire family of 5 (three work for the state) voting for Hillary Clinton. This time the money from the car and gas taxes benefit them, so I imagine they will vote to protect the cash cow.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:26 PM
 
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vote yes then complain about the prevailing wage requirements for simple projects like road repair - paying 80 bucks per hour to asphalt a road is bs hor 60 buck per hour for flagman to wave a damn flag at you -

repel the prevailing wage requirements its out dated - then you will get more for your tax dollars
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