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View Poll Results: How will you vote on Prop 6?
Yes 50 61.73%
No 31 38.27%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-27-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Actually taking money allocated for X and using it for something else has definitely been done. In fact, there had to be a vote on it to stop the corrupt politicians from pulling that tactic (I believe it was for money funded for mental health but was redirected to some other special interest project). If it's only .4% on the CHP funding, then I'm happy to stand corrected on that. But I also don't want to pretend like things like that should be brushed by the waist side as the state is spending $50+ billion a year on pensions. Not to mention in 8 years under Brown, state spending has gone up some 53%. All the while bragging about a $9 billion surplus. And the state budget has hit $200 billion! At some point, you do have to draw a line in the sand. How anyone can not look at this and not admit that it's absurd is beyond me. I can't tell you how many times I've heard your comment..."Prop (fill in the blank) is not the prop to stick it to the tax man. So which prop is? The majority of things on the ballot are "borrow, borrow, borrow". And yes, I understand they are bond measures but ultimately that is just money borrowed that taxpayers are paying back with interest. I can't imagine telling my kids to go out and get a bunch of credit cards and just charge up for something, don't worry about it, and you can just pay it back later. There are too many things in this state that apparently everyone can not do without (the classic want vs needs scenario). Roads and infrastructure should have top priority. So it's time to get rid of some of these lower priority items. This isn't Christmas and the taxpayers aren't Santa Claus.
Well, I won’t say it never has happened or won’t happen again. I’m just saying the money shell game can’t be played with SB1 funds.

And I totally understand “the buck stops here” mentality. California pays so much in taxes it’s suffocating. However this particular fund is spent on something tangible and mutually beneficial to all classes of people. This money creates an opportunity for all cities and counties in the state to repair and construct new transportation facilities that make places desirable to live. There’s a lot of cool projects that will get postponed for years if SB1 goes away. This funding is greatly needed.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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There’s a lot of cool projects that will get postponed for years if SB1 goes away.
Not buying that at all. They'll have to prioritize. Simple as that. Things at the bottom of the list get cut. Roads and infrastructure go to the top.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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I am voting "no."

I will vote for anything that will improve infrastructure.

Don't be "penny wise, pound foolish," just to be miserly.

Our infrastructure NEEDS attention - it's not going to fix itself.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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Not buying that at all. They'll have to prioritize. Simple as that. Things at the bottom of the list get cut. Roads and infrastructure go to the top.
You don’t have to buy it, it’s just the truth. But you are correct, without money, they cannot build. That’s usually how it works. Ironically, repealing the gas tax actually hurts more red counties than blue since they are typically smaller and underfunded for roadway projects. They are the ones who don’t have the local funds to pay for these improvements. But, maybe they don’t care as much about repairing or constructing new roads. We are free to vote on what we believe, I just wanted to try and share facts since a lot of this thread is just baseless opinion based on generalized belief of government corruption.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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You don’t have to buy it, it’s just the truth. But you are correct, without money, they cannot build. That’s usually how it works. Ironically, repealing the gas tax actually hurts more red counties than blue since they are typically smaller and underfunded for roadway projects. They are the ones who don’t have the local funds to pay for these improvements. But, maybe they don’t care as much about repairing or constructing new roads. We are free to vote on what we believe, I just wanted to try and share facts since a lot of this thread is just baseless opinion based on generalized belief of government corruption.
Don't care about Red or Blue (not sure why you think I would). I deal with issues. That party stuff is nonsense (wish people would get off of the partisan BS as that's the problem with the country).
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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Don't care about Red or Blue (not sure why you think I would). I deal with issues. That party stuff is nonsense (wish people would get off of the partisan BS as that's the problem with the country).
Oh ya, sorry that wasn’t directed at you, just based on other comments in this thread (“this is a ploy by the democrats”... etc).

Thanks for the discussion!
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Oh ya, sorry that wasn’t directed at you, just based on other comments in this thread (“this is a ploy by the democrats”... etc).

Thanks for the discussion!
Ditto
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:02 PM
 
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WRONG. Voting No on Prop 6 does NOT take away the right of voters to OVERTURN or REPEAL ANYTHING that the Legislature does.

I don't know if you are misinformed or are lying on purpose. Please, learn how representative government works before posting.
A quote from Rebecca Long, Manager of Government Relations for the Association of Bay Area Governments

“Prop. 6 wouldn’t just repeal existing funding, but it would make it much harder to replace, because it would require voter approval of any tax increase on gas or user fees,”
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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Up here in Silicon Valley, we had PG&E working on laying new pipe in our road.



They trenched a hole, worked on something. Couple of weeks later they were still screwing around with it.



Then we got a notice from the city letting us know they were going to surface the road. I thought...great, we'll get our front back again. They surfaced the road and it was really nice.


For a couple of days...then PG&E crew came back out and dug up their trench again to keep working. Not sure what they did, but they kept at it for months.



100% wasted money.



Still, I don't want an anecdote to cloud things....but when I hear $130B in deferred maintenance for roads said as if that were fact...I suddenly realize there will never be enough. Any amount thrown will be spent...and the more there is, the more that will be wasted.



By comparison, the 2 year entire budget of Texas is $217B.

Too red...ok, I took it for its size.



How about New York?
https://www.budget.ny.gov/pubs/archi...artmentof.html
These guys have integrated regional rail, subway, ferry, roads, tolls, bridges...and a very high COL.



Why can't we get in the same budgetary stratosphere?


Changing to vote Yes on 6.
Agreed. Taxpayers here are treated as bank accounts for politicians and public employee unions. They have been touting that the state has a surplus, yet they still want more tax money.

Vote YES on Prop 6. Enough is enough.
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Don't care about Red or Blue (not sure why you think I would). I deal with issues. That party stuff is nonsense (wish people would get off of the partisan BS as that's the problem with the country).
If for some reason 6 does not pass you're going to see a lot of positing here about how they "won". You didn't win anything, you just let the gov keep ****ing us over, and you let them out blue lipstick on us.
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