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View Poll Results: How will you vote on Prop 6?
Yes 50 61.73%
No 31 38.27%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-28-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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I have to question who is voting on this poll, because the news polls show Prop 6 is losing by a large margin. So, anyone here trying to sway voters probably isn't going to be effective, by padding this poll.
That's what I was wondering the other day. From everything I hear on the news, it's going to fail but here it's passing. In all fairness, there're only a handful of people voting on this poll so I don't take much stock in it. One thing though, I'll be soooo glad when this election is over. I won't have to watch anymore ads and maybe all the propaganda in the mail will stop.
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Old 10-28-2018, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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DES-PPM&OE - Awarded Contracts


This is where you can find awards. It's the DOT award search with the term "road"


I picked this one at random (truly) feel free to pick others:



Contract Number: 02-0E0904
Bid Opening Date: 11/19/2015
Advertising Date: 09/21/2015
Award Date: 02/03/2016
Contractor: GOLDEN STATE BRIDGE, INC.
Phone number: (925)372-8000
Bid Amount: $25,571,139.50
Awarded Amount: $25,571,139.50
Project Location: 02-Sha-5-R29.3/R31.1, R45.0/R45.8
Type of Work: Replace bridge, realign roadway and seismic retrofit



That sounds expensive...replacing a bridge and make it seismic...sounds prudent in the area.



Then we change our bid here:



http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/oe/proj...-0E0904ad3.pdf


Here's another modification:


http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/oe/proj...-0E0904ad2.pdf


Nice of the government to know how many trainees and apprentices will be needed to complete the job. Dave was too busy to write that letter apparently and had some other lackey do it.



Too bad they didn't know if the subsequent seismic system would work, but they did pass it:


https://dime.dot.ca.gov/index.php?r=...&test_id=15372


And here, they're shutting it down in 2018, at 65% completion:


https://www.redding.com/story/news/2...wn/1044538001/


"Arches are typically built under straight sections of roadway, but this bridge is in a curve, creating possible issues with how weight is distributed over the arches, Lawson said.


Lawson said the movement was not in the bridge foundation, but occurred in the arches above. There also was 2 inches of vertical settling, but he said that was anticipated."




“We’re kind of at a critical stage here with the superstructure. We’re pretty much ready to pour the superstructure, but if we do need to retrofit it, you have the opportunity to address it before you pour the superstructure,” Lawson said.
Nguyen-Tan said the agency will likely determine within the next three weeks, what steps, if any they need to correct the discrepancy.
Really I think we have some retrofitting to do,” Nguyen-Tan said.


So we're going to change things again. Change orders in construction cost money. If I'm in a project and realize I've underbid, but can get change orders, it can be a winner yet.



But nobody is asking....why didn't we just ask for and build a straight bridge to begin with? This aversion to straight roads is amazing.



Below that:


Contract Number: 02-0H2104
Bid Opening Date: 10/27/2015
Advertising Date: 09/28/2015
Award Date: 02/05/2016
Contractor: CORAL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
Phone number: (503)682-2252
Bid Amount: $1,959,002.00
Awarded Amount: $1,959,002.00
Project Location: 02-Sha,Sis,Teh-3, 5, 44, 89, 273, 299-VAR
Type of Work: Install overhead sign panels and roadside signs.



Really...$2M to install some road signs? Don't we have a giant prison population?


Let's go more recent:


Contract Number: 08-1F8304
Bid Opening Date: 2018-07-26
Advertising Date: 2018-06-18
Award Date: 2018-08-30
Contractor: SPECTRUM CONSTRUCTION GROUP, INC.
Phone number: (949)299-1400
Bid Amount: $3,000,915.70
Project Location: 08-SBd-330-39.6
Type of Work: Repair and replace culverts



How much does a culvert cost again?


https://www.lrrb.org/pdf/200920.pdf
That's how Minnesota looks at it. Land of 10,000 lakes may have a need for a culvert on occasion. Maybe we're out of practice given our rainfall amounts.



Minnesota leans left....they've been building....what are some of the most expensive things they've every built?


https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/...nded-projects/


04. Central Corridor Light Rail Transit: $957 million
05. Hiawatha Light Rail Transit: $715 million
08. Northstar Commuter Rail: $320 million


Hang on...they get 3 entire rail-lines, with union labor, for less than what we put into a couple of stations? How did they do that? Why don't we hire those builders?



The problem isn't that there is a need for infrastructure. Agreed. We need more/better roads and trains....but our DOT is just handing out money for nothing, and the area has so many people and has lived with it for so long that people just put up with it.
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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Prop. 6 Gas Tax Repeal Likely To Pass

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...as-tax-repeal/

SurveyUSA found Proposition 6, which would repeal the gas tax hike recently approved by the legislature, poised to pass. The poll found 58 percent of voters supporting the repeal, while 29 percent are opposed and 13 percent are undecided.

The repeal was backed by a majority of voters surveyed in all age groups and in all regions, including the Bay Area.



And I see a couple saying the other way (Sac Bee, LA Times)

Guess we'll see

Vote "Yes" to Repeal
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Sounds like the Democrats where there isn't a tax they don't love and the media which is the same as the Democrats are promoting polls where the tax repeal fails and don't say anything where 6 passes.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:43 PM
 
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Default valuable resources about state projects

thank you for your post and especially posting your sources - very valuable to us commoners who had no clue we could get this factual information outside of the media influences!!!

I knew they're mismanaging money, but good to see exactly where and how it works.





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Originally Posted by artillery77 View Post
DES-PPM&OE - Awarded Contracts


This is where you can find awards. It's the DOT award search with the term "road"


I picked this one at random (truly) feel free to pick others:



Contract Number: 02-0E0904
Bid Opening Date: 11/19/2015
Advertising Date: 09/21/2015
Award Date: 02/03/2016
Contractor: GOLDEN STATE BRIDGE, INC.
Phone number: (925)372-8000
Bid Amount: $25,571,139.50
Awarded Amount: $25,571,139.50
Project Location: 02-Sha-5-R29.3/R31.1, R45.0/R45.8
Type of Work: Replace bridge, realign roadway and seismic retrofit



That sounds expensive...replacing a bridge and make it seismic...sounds prudent in the area.



Then we change our bid here:



http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/oe/proj...-0E0904ad3.pdf


Here's another modification:


http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/esc/oe/proj...-0E0904ad2.pdf


Nice of the government to know how many trainees and apprentices will be needed to complete the job. Dave was too busy to write that letter apparently and had some other lackey do it.



Too bad they didn't know if the subsequent seismic system would work, but they did pass it:


https://dime.dot.ca.gov/index.php?r=...&test_id=15372


And here, they're shutting it down in 2018, at 65% completion:


https://www.redding.com/story/news/2...wn/1044538001/


"Arches are typically built under straight sections of roadway, but this bridge is in a curve, creating possible issues with how weight is distributed over the arches, Lawson said.


Lawson said the movement was not in the bridge foundation, but occurred in the arches above. There also was 2 inches of vertical settling, but he said that was anticipated."




“We’re kind of at a critical stage here with the superstructure. We’re pretty much ready to pour the superstructure, but if we do need to retrofit it, you have the opportunity to address it before you pour the superstructure,” Lawson said.
Nguyen-Tan said the agency will likely determine within the next three weeks, what steps, if any they need to correct the discrepancy.
Really I think we have some retrofitting to do,” Nguyen-Tan said.


So we're going to change things again. Change orders in construction cost money. If I'm in a project and realize I've underbid, but can get change orders, it can be a winner yet.



But nobody is asking....why didn't we just ask for and build a straight bridge to begin with? This aversion to straight roads is amazing.



Below that:


Contract Number: 02-0H2104
Bid Opening Date: 10/27/2015
Advertising Date: 09/28/2015
Award Date: 02/05/2016
Contractor: CORAL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
Phone number: (503)682-2252
Bid Amount: $1,959,002.00
Awarded Amount: $1,959,002.00
Project Location: 02-Sha,Sis,Teh-3, 5, 44, 89, 273, 299-VAR
Type of Work: Install overhead sign panels and roadside signs.



Really...$2M to install some road signs? Don't we have a giant prison population?


Let's go more recent:


Contract Number: 08-1F8304
Bid Opening Date: 2018-07-26
Advertising Date: 2018-06-18
Award Date: 2018-08-30
Contractor: SPECTRUM CONSTRUCTION GROUP, INC.
Phone number: (949)299-1400
Bid Amount: $3,000,915.70
Project Location: 08-SBd-330-39.6
Type of Work: Repair and replace culverts



How much does a culvert cost again?


https://www.lrrb.org/pdf/200920.pdf
That's how Minnesota looks at it. Land of 10,000 lakes may have a need for a culvert on occasion. Maybe we're out of practice given our rainfall amounts.



Minnesota leans left....they've been building....what are some of the most expensive things they've every built?


https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/...nded-projects/


04. Central Corridor Light Rail Transit: $957 million
05. Hiawatha Light Rail Transit: $715 million
08. Northstar Commuter Rail: $320 million


Hang on...they get 3 entire rail-lines, with union labor, for less than what we put into a couple of stations? How did they do that? Why don't we hire those builders?



The problem isn't that there is a need for infrastructure. Agreed. We need more/better roads and trains....but our DOT is just handing out money for nothing, and the area has so many people and has lived with it for so long that people just put up with it.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Up here in Silicon Valley, we had PG&E working on laying new pipe in our road.

They trenched a hole, worked on something. Couple of weeks later they were still screwing around with it.

Then we got a notice from the city letting us know they were going to surface the road. I thought...great, we'll get our front back again. They surfaced the road and it was really nice.


For a couple of days...then PG&E crew came back out and dug up their trench again to keep working. Not sure what they did, but they kept at it for months.

100% wasted money.
It happened on roads here, too, and I agree that it is frustrating when PG&E or private internet service providers or the telephone company digs up newly surfaced roads.

However, please cast your blame where it belongs: on PG&E and those other businesses, not CalTrans or gas taxes.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Speaking of newly surfaced roads: just yesterday we encountered a lovely, newly surfaced section of 880. Smooth as a baby's butt.

Vote No on Prop 6!

We need good roads and safe bridges.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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They repaved all the on and off ramps along the 118. Total waste of your money there was nothing wrong with those on and off ramps.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I doubt if many of you will read it but here's a good article that sets the record straight on a number of claims that Cox and other Republicans about why prop 6 is needed.

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics...od-to-be-true/
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I doubt if many of you will read it but here's a good article that sets the record straight on a number of claims that Cox and other Republicans about why prop 6 is needed.

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics...od-to-be-true/
Yeah, I saw this, too. It's a good article.
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