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Old 11-28-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Oh so now I'm right and not "obtuse". Throwing other Jews under the bus to defend your dem devil is low. All these posts and articles to defend him. Why?
You obviously haven’t read the articles ... and particularly not 2sleepy’s history lesson post last night about who loaded the trains and marched the Jews into the gas chambers, even though you quoted it.

So the question is not why articles defend Soros against lies ... but why are you perpetuating the lies?

 
Old 11-28-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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Aside from that story being well-known bulltweet ... I didn’t use Soros as “a good dem example”. I used him as an example of a materially successful democrat not living broke in his parents’ basement.

You know, Finper, though you and I differ most of the time on things, I have always considered you sincere in your ideology and concerns, however odd I find them. So I respond to your various mischaracterizations of things and sometimes bizarre deductions - without taking any personal swipes. You’re a true believer and I leave it at that.

But in this case I’m going to add you really are showing a lack of character to buy into such a twisted story ... and then be so completely dismissive about bothering to consider the correction offered.
I think it shows a lack of morals and character to use Soros as a example of a successful democrat. Is that all you had to choose from? Insult me and degrade me all you want I've obviously triggered something with all these defensive posts. The truth is out there....
 
Old 11-28-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I think it shows a lack of morals and character to use Soros as a example of a successful democrat. Is that all you had to choose from? Insult me and degrade me all you want I've obviously triggered something with all these defensive posts. The truth is out there....
The truth IS out there ... and you are ignoring it, just as your pathological liar leader in DC ignores truths.

Do you deny that Trump is a serial liar the likes of which has never been in American office before? Do you deny his bankruptcies, lawsuits against him for cheating business partners and customers, his cheating and philandering?

And now you pepetuate a thoroughly, historically accurate and deeply documented debunking of the Soros nazi collaboration myth ... and you want to bring up “morals and character”?

“Why did the Republican party get so small in California” indeed!
 
Old 11-28-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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I think it shows a lack of morals and character to use Soros as a example of a successful democrat. Is that all you had to choose from? Insult me and degrade me all you want I've obviously triggered something with all these defensive posts. The truth is out there....
I am really sick of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than post incessantly on here while we work and pay taxes. To them it’s personal. If they don’t like Trump, fine, but I for one cannot imagine having anyone else in office especially now as migrants are attempting to invade our nation. The constant disrespect and contempt they show our president is shameful. I lived through years of Obama and was careful not to be insulting while he was president despite the many ridiculous he did and said, not to mention the naïveté of that administration.
 
Old 11-28-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I am really sick of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than post incessantly on here while we work and pay taxes. To them it’s personal. If they don’t like Trump, fine, but I for one cannot imagine having anyone else in office especially now as migrants are attempting to invade our nation. The constant disrespect and contempt they show our president is shameful. I lived through years of Obama and was careful not to be insulting while he was president despite the many ridiculous he did and said, not to mention the naïveté of that administration.
OC ... you have nearly as many posts in nearly the same time frame as me ... so your protest about your important job limiting your posting opportunities is, well, silly.

As for paying taxes ... you know something about my tax-paying history? And speaking of “paying” for your country’s benefit - you ever serve in the military? At all? Let alone a career?

Now then, let’s move on to “disrespect and contempt” shown, shall we? Do you deny that YOUR CIC disrespects others - including military figures of particular note, including deceased military - in the most contemptable terms ever seen in this nation’s history from someone in the highest office? Do you deny he is deliberately polarizing to pander to his base?

There were a ton of things Obama did I disagreed with ... but he never ever dishonored his nation ... neither did GW, or HW, or even Bill Clinton for that mattr. No POTUS has ever acted so despicably as your hero.

So, “nothing better to do with my time” than post here in defense of truth-telling and supporting national honor when it is trashed by serial lying and intentional polarization? Right. It’s a great retirement avocation for a retired military, blue-collar guy to stand up for decency and honesty and truth. You bet.

Now back to your “important, highly paid job” that limits your ability to post often?

Meanwhile, is there any question left as to why the Republican party is deteriorated to a point of no-return in this state?
 
Old 11-28-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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He keeps crying that successful people (his words, not mine) somehow all got help. Even if it's true, so what? That's what family does for each other.
Me, I made it on my own AS DID MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
I'm surprised that someone as successful as yourself feels compelled to keep letting us know that day after day after day...
 
Old 11-28-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Correct.

Texas' Latinos are mostly Mexican, just like California. And the heavily Latino areas in Texas are much more Democratic than similar areas in California. Like I said, gerrymandering.

CA is a redder state than people give it credit for. Just as red or more than Texas maybe.


CA might as well be LINO due to the big cities, Liberal in name only.
 
Old 11-28-2018, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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CA is a redder state than people give it credit for. Just as red or more than Texas maybe.

CA might as well be LINO due to the big cities, Liberal in name only.
In what sense?


Just because Kern County is larger in land mass than L.A. County and shows up as a big "red" spot on the California political map, doesn't mean that it actually holds any sway. And, it sure as hell doesn't mean all of California is on the verge of flipping to Republican.

California's "blue" nature is a product of population numbers. It's due to the overwhelming urban influence of Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, the Bay Area and Sacramento.

Another example is Nevada. The state of Nevada is comprised of 17 counties. Out of the 17, two (Clark and Washoe) voted blue.



Seventyfive percent of Nevada residents live in Clark (Las Vegas) and another 15% live in Washoe (Reno).


So, while Nevada looks like a huge "red" state on a county-by-county geopolitical map, it's actually a "blue" state due to population being concentrated in "blue" counties.
 
Old 11-28-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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Well, for me the break with the GOP started around the turn of the millennium. That was around the time when climate science really began to form a consensus and eventually into near unanimity. And that coincided with the roughly the time when I was old enough to vote. My parents are both Republicans and we were all really surprised that the party of Reagan, who at one time listened to scientists regarding the Ozone problem and whose administration had supported the Montreal Protocol, was dead set on denying climate change.

I point to this issue in particular, not because it's my top priority among political issues, but because it indicates a pervasive problem among not just GOP politicians in CA, but also nationwide - many of them just don't believe in established scientific facts. Just in this past CA gubernatorial election for instance, John Cox was wishy-washy about climate change ("I'm not a climatologist.") and that was an immediate disqualification from me. Whether you believe in big government, small government, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc., etc., you should at least be formulating policies based on the facts.

Now, many issues don't have as big of a consensus as climate change among experts. For instance, there are liberal and conservative economic schools and so forth, and no real clear consensus on which way is the best way forward. This necessitates trying out certain policies and then seeing what works or doesn't work. That brings up another big issue among the GOP, and that's that they don't blink even when driving off a cliff and often double down instead. One can look to what happened in Kansas under Gov. Brownback. See the thing is that if you were elected to put forth a massive tax slashing, small government plan then go ahead. But once it was clear that it had failed in every single way imaginable... then ditch that plan! Instead, he vetoed the tax increases and had to be overridden by the legislature.

As for how that affects CA, the reason Democrats continue to see gains statewide is because all the doomsday predictions of their tax and regulatory increases have not (yet?) come to pass. The state has undoubtedly seen excellent economic growth, our deficit is now a surplus, and so on. And in a rather humorous role reversal, it's now the CA Republicans saying that the economic growth, 5th largest economy in the world, etc. is only enriching a few at the top while the middle class and poor are squeezed out. While those are valid criticisms, the CA GOP been unable to put forth any sort of coherent plan to tackle those issues. Their solution to everything (much like the national GOP) is to just cut taxes. But as we've seen in aforementioned Kansas, that's not necessarily a path to prosperity.

A smarter approach for the CA GOP, would be to commission a study using realistic assumptions (none of that "If we cut taxes/regulations we would have 5% GDP growth pinkie-promise!" stuff) and try and identify what is making the economy grow while also tackling the state's problems. And then see if lower taxes & regulations actually would help tackle CA's problems. Furthermore, if hypothetically the study showed that the current tax rates/regulations in CA are okay... then DROP THAT ISSUE. Turn your focus to something else like less regulation, or more transparency, or more efficient use of tax dollars, etc., etc. The point is, to find an issue that you can work on instead of just doubling down.

To bring it full circle, I'm reminded of what Gov. Schwarzenegger did after that one year where he tried to go around the legislature and put forth 4 major ballot initiatives that were then all defeated. He pivoted to something he did believe in - climate change. He looked at the reality of the situation, saw an opportunity, and worked towards it. Because of the bipartisan groundwork he did, CA today has one of the lowest carbon footprints per capita in the country, and we are the leader in solar energy by a huge amount. But sadly Arnold was probably the last of the Reagan GOP. Today's GOP in CA and nationwide would look at a failed case like Kansas, ignore reality, and say "It's because they didn't slash taxes enough."
 
Old 11-28-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: America's Expensive Toilet
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I also despise people who naively think everything they have, they got "on their own". That's a lie about 99.9% of the time.

You either:

1.) Had inheritance or married someone with one
2.) Had a parent/family member get you a job, or married someone that did
3.) Had a parent/family member help provide you with an education, or married someone that did
4.) Benefitted directly from a government program: the military, welfare, HUD loan, TANF, education grants or loans, Social Security, MediCal/Medicaid, a govt contract of any type, Disability, govt business loans and grants, tax write-offs, City/County/State/Federal employment, a highway or road built and maintained by a government entity to-and-from your business.
5.) Are descended of someone who directly benefited from a government program, thereby, raising your own chances of being successful
6.) Married someone who benefited from a government program or married to a descendent who benefited from the same.

Just be honest and admit that we've all -- at one point or another -- been the beneficiaries (directly or indirectly) of government largess and quit acting like you've only paid into it and never taken anything in return or benefited from it.

THAT, above all else, is what irks me about Republicans!

Lying is ugly.
I cannot check any of those boxes and have never benefitted from government programs (never apply for unemployment or anything, that's why I save my money). I think government handouts should be a last resort and temporary (except for very specific circumstances).

Our government is hella inefficient and wasteful. I'm registered Republican but skew libertarian. I'm also a young woman who believes in personal responsibility. U mad?
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