I haven't Seen a Road Worker Since Prop 6 Failed (San Jose: taxi, cabinet)

[ysr_racer]

These three kids are sitting around talking, and the first kid says, "My dad is so fast, he can shoot an arrow down range and run down there to see where it lands".

The second little kid says, "That's nothing, my dad is so fast that when he goes to sleep at night and turns off the lights, he can be in bed before the room gets dark".

The third little kid says, "I got all you guys beat. My dad works for cal trans. He's so fast that when he gets off of work at 4:30, he's home by 2:15".

[Des-Lab]

Some roads here in Tulare County are literally undrivable with anything but a 4WD/Offroad vehicle because they are so badly pockmarked and in beyond decrepit condition. But that was the case long before Prop 6 came around.

[DCMann2]

I've seen plenty of road work going on around here. Maybe you're just not looking hard enough

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Midwest deals with freezes, snow, ice, etc. Different.



California is comparable to states that don't go through severe weather. I'll tell you when I drive from California to Florida, California had some of the worst roads. When I lived in San Francisco I remember SFGATE even had an article showing the road conditions are so poor that it costs the average drive $300-400 more per year in road related car expenses compared to the national average. Maybe this sense of denial is why politicians get away with it in California. Expense gas, high taxes, high fees and below average roads.

Well if $400 is going to break your budget you should move to Europe where public transport is free. Never mind that gas is $9 a gallon and anything purchased has a 25% sales tax. But (seriously) free health care is a plus

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

I saw a half dozen Cal Trans workers standing around not working. This is what the gas and car tax money goes for.

OK here is how it works. Having worked on a county road crew in my younger years. Those half dozen guys are on standby. The two guys you see working are doing the prep work. Then when the heavy lifting is needed all eight jump in and the job gets finished in an hour or two instead of three days. Would you prefer a lane is closed for two hours or three days?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Well if $400 is going to break your budget you should move to Europe where public transport is free. Never mind that gas is $9 a gallon and anything purchased has a 25% sales tax. But (seriously) free health care is a plus

OK here is how it works. Having worked on a county road crew in my younger years. Those half dozen guys are on standby. The two guys you see working are doing the prep work. Then when the heavy lifting is needed all eight jump in and the job gets finished in an hour or two instead of three days. Would you prefer a lane is closed for two hours or three days?

Oh *snap*

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Well if $400 is going to break your budget you should move to Europe where public transport is free. Never mind that gas is $9 a gallon and anything purchased has a 25% sales tax. But (seriously) free health care is a plus

It's not that $400 is going to make or break you, it's that it shows you how poor the road conditions are in a state that taxes and fees the most (up there anyways). Making excuses is why politicians don't care. They just fund their pensions, say yes to whatever quote they get, basically waste the money because its residents are always eager to say YES MORE TAXES!


Not to mention with a state like California with so many homeless and people in poverty... to say $400 is nothing to care about on top of high gas, high tax, high fees is typical elitism.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

I saw a half dozen Cal Trans workers standing around not working. This is what the gas and car tax money goes for.

Better then the 5 fwy. I never see any any caltrans workers there. Even when they were supposed to be there pretending to work before the proposition failed

[settled00]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Liberals never met a tax they didn't love, whether it was useful or not. In California, taxes and accomplishing what the taxes were meant for have little in common.

Yes, I couldn't agree more.

I'm all for paying taxes for services that benefit the taxpayers. My problem is with poor management of the money they were already raking in. Where is that going? If it were managed well, and if they weren't threatening to give healthcare to illegal immigrants courtesy of the California Taxpayer, I'd be okay with it. I want something for the money and I wanted a voice in the matter.

The precedence has now been set though. The Governor's pen is stronger than ever in this liberal oasis and that bothers me. Everyone knows the tax money will be spent or shared on the train to nowhere, but that's another thread.

Mismanaged our money again? Oh that's okay, just sign for another tax. Voters really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by settled00

Yes, I couldn't agree more.

I'm all for paying taxes for services that benefit the taxpayers. My problem is with poor management of the money they were already raking in. Where is that going? If it were managed well, and if they weren't threatening to give healthcare to illegal immigrants courtesy of the California Taxpayer, I'd be okay with it. I want something for the money and I wanted a voice in the matter.

the precedence has now been set. The Governor's pen is stronger than ever in this liberal oasis and that bothers me. Everyone knows the tax money will be spent or shared on the train to nowhere, but that's another thread.

mismanage money? that's okay, just sign us up for another tax. Voters really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Did you get a say in the trillions of dollars of increased national debt Trump signed in with his pen? Pretty sure he’s not a liberal. Nor the House and Senate that passed approval as well.

[settled00]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Did you get a say in the trillions of dollars of increased national debt Trump signed in with his pen? Pretty sure he’s not a liberal. Nor the House and Senate that passed approval as well.

but that was FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER. We're getting something for it. Get it? Trump isn't giving stuff away to leaches who contribute nothing or ill-managed projects going nowhere, he's doing it for the American Taxpayer.