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Old 05-15-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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Health insurance companies are the PROBLEM, and SINGLE PAYER is the SOLUTION. Either that, or total free market. I don't care which, but hurry up and pick. This bastardized compromise simply serves to enrich the insurance scammers, who have already built giant glistening office towers with the ground-up bones of the people they've denied care to.

Best solution I've experienced, overseas, was a state-run health care system in parallel with private hospitals. Doctors had to serve a certain number of hours in the single-payer system, and then they could go work in private practice to make the big bucks. The state system was great for providing preventative and basic care for 90% of cases, while more complex cases (and/or rich people who could afford it) were handled by the totally-private system. We can't cure everyone of everything, and we don't have the resources to do sextuple-bypass on an octogenarian who will die in six months, anyway.
That should be an absolute requirement.
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Old 05-15-2019, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Wait till all the healthy millenials and Gen Z get slapped with Newsums tax on the healthy and young to pay for healthcare of old geezers like Tulemutt who's sipping margaritas on the water. The dreamers might just wake up to the nightmare that is California DNC.
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Old 05-15-2019, 06:21 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Wait till all the healthy millenials and Gen Z get slapped with Newsums tax on the healthy and young to pay for healthcare of old geezers like Tulemutt who's sipping margaritas on the water. The dreamers might just wake up to the nightmare that is California DNC.
Old geezer Tulemutt gets health are from Tri-care / VA systems courtesy Uncle Sam ... as part of his military retirement benefits ... earned though career service to the nation.

You really need to open your mind just a little occasionally to get past the stagnation decay of partisanship worldview.

Oh, and I don’t drink anything but plain water. No booze, coffee, juice, soda, ... healthy to the point I rarely even ever use my healthcare benefits.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:25 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Wait till all the healthy millenials and Gen Z get slapped with Newsums tax on the healthy and young to pay for healthcare of old geezers
Millennials are already paying an arm and a leg because most of their employers they work for don't offer health insurance. They have to buy individual policies on the marketplace, and many don't qualify for subsidies.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:49 PM
 
Location: California
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He can't rewrite the ACA, maybe you should direct your anger at Congressional Republicans who said they had a "plan" to replace the ACA but had NOTHING.
Nah, I'm directing at the people who wrote it, attached it to another bill, rushed it through and said we had to pass it to know what was in it.

Don't even get me started on the farmed out piece meal work on the website that could have been done by one or two firms who already had something similar in place but instead rewarded various firms and people with $ for reasons. I'll also be mad at the state of CA for extras they dropped on top of everything the Feds insisted each policy cover. There's plenty of blame to go around for those who had a hand in it, no real reason to point to those who didn't.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Nah, I'm directing at the people who wrote it, attached it to another bill, rushed it through and said we had to pass it to know what was in it.
Ah yes, who can ever forget that democratic anthem famously uttered by the cherished Nancy Pelosi.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Old geezer Tulemutt gets health are from Tri-care / VA systems courtesy Uncle Sam ... as part of his military retirement benefits ... earned though career service to the nation.

You really need to open your mind just a little occasionally to get past the stagnation decay of partisanship worldview.

Oh, and I don’t drink anything but plain water. No booze, coffee, juice, soda, ... healthy to the point I rarely even ever use my healthcare benefits.
LOL. Tulemutt, you are no fun. No coffee. Wow.
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Old 05-19-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I'm not an expert on any of this, but I thought I'd just mention that when coverage is denied or unaffordable, people just go to the emergency room where they can't be denied care. And the emergency room visits are expensive. So, it seems to be kind of a shell game, really.
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Old 05-19-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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I'm not an expert on any of this, but I thought I'd just mention that when coverage is denied or unaffordable, people just go to the emergency room where they can't be denied care. And the emergency room visits are expensive. So, it seems to be kind of a shell game, really.
But when they go to the ER because they don't have health insurance, they don't pay the cost of the visit. Those of us with insurance do. (Another reason that health insurance is so expensive.)
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Old 05-19-2019, 07:47 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Or at Nancy Pelosi and her herd of Democratic sheep who wrote ACA in the first place in such a way as to be fatally flawed.
He is related to Pelosi(by marriage of course), so of course he is supporting ACA.
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