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Old 02-13-2020, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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back to LA: land that was considered unthinkable 20-30 years ago, is now being carved up and graded to make way for a total of 47,000 new homes - basically around magic mountain and santa clarita valley.

something with equiv population of Brea, Covina or Rancho Santa Margarita just gonna spring up 'overnight'.

So some are growing north to the desert and not east to the IE (also desert)


six plans in various stages of birth:
https://www.hometownstation.com/sant...clarita-262448
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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back to LA: land that was considered unthinkable 20-30 years ago, is now being carved up and graded to make way for a total of 47,000 new homes - basically around magic mountain and santa clarita valley.

something with equiv population of Brea, Covina or Rancho Santa Margarita just gonna spring up 'overnight'.

So some are growing north to the desert and not east to the IE (also desert)

six plans in various stages of birth:
https://www.hometownstation.com/sant...clarita-262448
LA County borders are odd in that they spans so far north all the way to Gorman and over the San Gabriel Mountains. I actually worked in those mountains during college. After living and working in LA most of my life, I can tell you that practically speaking, no one thinks of LA beyond the San Fernando Valley and that is a stretch (and drive) outside the main geographic and economic area people consider LA.

Palmdale, Lancaster, Santa Clarita and Gorman are distinctly different regions in every sense of the word. They are very separated from LA, though there are stories of people doing crazy things like commuting 2+ hours into LA's economic center where most actually work.

Could they keep building out there? Of course. But would anyone working in LA want to live there? Possibly out of desperation. But I couldn't think of any other reason why. Have you ever tried driving from Santa Clarita to LA during rush hour? Its a living nightmare and the kind of thing no one would purposely want to repeat. LA traffic is bad enough just getting around it's primary cities, the worst in the nation. Talk about impacted.

Now, if someone works at Magic Mountain or other businesses out that way then it wouldn't be so bad at least in terms of the commute. Maybe a valley job would be somewhat ok? While still gridlocked, one wouldn't stay in it as long. Otherwise, yuck!! More importantly, where are you going to SUP or do anything fun out there besides rollercoasters?

Derek

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Old 02-14-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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Ventura County. Grew up in Thousand Oaks ... lived in Newbury Park and Ventura. All will always be home and where my heart belongs.
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Old 02-14-2020, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Ventura County. Grew up in Thousand Oaks ... lived in Newbury Park and Ventura. All will always be home and where my heart belongs.
That is probably the only place in SoCal we would consider living in again. TO is in a nice location in the hills there as one exits the SoCal concrete jungle. Close enough to other things like the beaches when you need to escape the heat of summer, yet removed from a lot of the snarled up mess of LA/IE/OC/SD. I noticed it has become very gentrified and expensive due at least in part to its desirable location. Lots of big $$$ homes in those hills.

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Old 02-14-2020, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Santa Barbara would work for me, I think.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Point Loma, San Diego, CA
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The fact is San Diego is the 5th most densely populated county in the nation with over 3.3 million residents and growing and 2nd most populated in the state. Comparing it to LA, the number 1 most impacted county in the nation, is not saying very much at all. That's like saying its only the 5th most polluted or has the 5th worst traffic in the nation. Bottom line its the 5th most crowded county with the bulk of the population more centralized than LA which is more evenly distributed border to border and has a much wider urban core. And SD's growth rate is much higher than LA. So the gap is closing and has been for many years. Most populous counties in the United States

Without even looking at the real numbers including growth rates, all you have to do is get on the freeways or even surface streets during rush hour or on weekends to experience it and the problem is obvious and only getting worse.

Derek
San Diego does not even rank in the top 50 of counties by population density in the country.

I don't know what you're talking about.

If "impacted" means population density then L.A. county is 47th in the country, not first.

Metro area density (which spans two counties in L.A's case, and is limited to a somewhat small portion of one county in S.D.s case) is where L.A. and S.D. rank at or near the top.
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Old 02-15-2020, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The fact is San Diego is the 5th most densely populated county in the nation with over 3.3 million residents and growing and 2nd most populated in the state. Comparing it to LA, the number 1 most impacted county in the nation, is not saying very much at all. That's like saying its only the 5th most polluted or has the 5th worst traffic in the nation. Bottom line its the 5th most crowded county with the bulk of the population more centralized than LA which is more evenly distributed border to border and has a much wider urban core. And SD's growth rate is much higher than LA. So the gap is closing and has been for many years. Most populous counties in the United States

Without even looking at the real numbers including growth rates, all you have to do is get on the freeways or even surface streets during rush hour or on weekends to experience it and the problem is obvious and only getting worse.

Derek
Since everyone is throwing numbers around, if these numbers are correct:

Vancouver, while it's probably nice, has a population of about 183,000, so it's no small town. Also, at 3,897.60 p/sq mi.(http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...er-population/) it's rather dense and looks to be just a tad less densely populated than OC (3,991 p/sq mi) and far more densely populated than SD County (781 p/sq mi) and even LA County (2,490 p/sq. mi).
https://www.towncharts.com/Californi...hics-data.html

Clark County, home of Vancouver, has a population density of 727, just slightly less than SD County's 781:
https://www.towncharts.com/Washingto...hics-data.html

Vancouver is less densely populated than the city of San Diego (4,390.97 p/sq.mi).
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...go-population/

To each his own, but Vancouver, according to some rankings, doesn't even get a very high "livability" score with this site giving it a D+ for Crime, a D- for Schools, a D+ for employment, a D- for COL and a B for housing and an A+ for amenities.
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

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Old 02-15-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Since everyone is throwing numbers around, if these numbers are correct:

Vancouver, while it's probably nice, has a population of about 183,000, so it's no small town. Also, at 3,897.60 p/sq mi.(http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...er-population/) it's rather dense and looks to be just a tad less densely populated than OC (3,991 p/sq mi) and far more densely populated than SD County (781 p/sq mi) and even LA County (2,490 p/sq. mi).
https://www.towncharts.com/Californi...hics-data.html

Clark County, home of Vancouver, has a population density of 727, just slightly less than SD County's 781:
https://www.towncharts.com/Washingto...hics-data.html

Vancouver is less densely populated than the city of San Diego (4,390.97 p/sq.mi).
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...go-population/

To each his own, but Vancouver, according to some rankings, doesn't even get a very high "livability" score with this site giving it a D+ for Crime, a D- for Schools, a D+ for employment, a D- for COL and a B for housing and an A+ for amenities.
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Traveling up and down the coast from Mexico to Canada as I do multiple times a year, and visiting friends along the way in Portland at times ... Vancouver is unique. It is quiet. It is the only nearby urban community north of Portland, across the Columbia River. Portland has spread more to the south, but across the river north, almost not at all. It is a “bedroom” suburb. Washington has a hefty sales tax ... but no state income tax. Vancouverites then, typically work and shop south on the Oregon side ... sleep tax-free on the Washington side.

From Vancouver north, east and west, it’s VERY rural until you get hours north to Puget Sound cities (Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, Everett ... and all their rapidly growing sprawl.)

Portland itself is up and coming. Experiencing a lot of growth, unfortunately. But all contained east, west and south of the river border with Washington.

Vancouver is mostly really quite nice, except in the small shopping / commercial strip running adjacent to I-5 ... which is fairly scummy. That’s where the crime stats live.

Getting out of Vancouver to extraordinary beauty and recreation is a snap. Almost never any real traffic north east and west directions. Columbia River, coastal beaches and fishing, Willapa Bay (huge), hunting, Mt. Rainier and Mt. St. Helens and all the Cascade mountains, the Columbia itself and the famous Gorge ...

Helluva spot actually ... if you can stand the sh*tty weather half the year.

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Old 02-15-2020, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Traveling up and down the coast from Mexico to Canada as I do multiple times a year, and visiting friends along the way in Portland at times ... Vancouver is unique. It is quiet. It is the only nearby urban community north of Portland, across the Columbia River. Portland has spread more to the south, but across the river north, almost not at all. It is a “bedroom” suburb. Washington has a hefty sales tax ... but no state income tax. Vancouverites then, typically work and shop south on the Oregon side ... sleep tax-free on the Washington side.

From Vancouver north, east and west, it’s VERY rural until you get hours north to Puget Sound cities (Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, Everett ... and all their rapidly growing sprawl.)

Portland itself is up and coming. Experiencing a lot of growth, unfortunately. But all contained east, west and south of the river border with Washington.

Vancouver is mostly really quite nice, except in the small shopping / commercial strip running adjacent to I-5 ... which is fairly scummy. That’s where the crime stats live.

Getting out of Vancouver to extraordinary beauty and recreation is a snap. Almost never any real traffic north east and west directions. Columbia River, coastal beaches and fishing, Willapa Bay (huge), hunting, Mt. Rainier and Mt. St. Helens and all the Cascade mountains, the Columbia itself and the famous Gorge ...

Helluva spot actually ... if you can stand the sh*tty weather half the year.
No doubt, since numbers don't tell it all whether one lives in Vancouver, LA, OC, or SD.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Since everyone is throwing numbers around, if these numbers are correct:

Vancouver, while it's probably nice, has a population of about 183,000, so it's no small town. Also, at 3,897.60 p/sq mi.(http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...er-population/) it's rather dense and looks to be just a tad less densely populated than OC (3,991 p/sq mi) and far more densely populated than SD County (781 p/sq mi) and even LA County (2,490 p/sq. mi).
https://www.towncharts.com/Californi...hics-data.html

Clark County, home of Vancouver, has a population density of 727, just slightly less than SD County's 781:
https://www.towncharts.com/Washingto...hics-data.html

Vancouver is less densely populated than the city of San Diego (4,390.97 p/sq.mi).
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...go-population/

To each his own, but Vancouver, according to some rankings, doesn't even get a very high "livability" score with this site giving it a D+ for Crime, a D- for Schools, a D+ for employment, a D- for COL and a B for housing and an A+ for amenities.
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Wow, you're really grasping at straws trying to explain away and deny the obvious to anyone who actually travels anywhere outside SoCal. That is how impacted LA, OC and SD really are. I find this very comical and common in SD while not so much in LA. LA folks will be the fist to admit how bad traffic is and how overcrowded the region really is. That can be said with other highly populated regions throughout the country as well like Washington DC, Chicago, Seattle, SF, etc... The traffic sucks there, its overcrowded which is common knowledge. But SD, 'overcrowded, oh no, never,' this is where people love to bury their heads in the sand, common SD culture

The problem with trying to use the numbers like you did is that they are completely unrealistic when considering population size and density for any given area. LA County and SD County are huge with much of their lands unused and separated by mountains and deserts from where people actually work and live. The majority of people actually live within a very small, centralized metro area within those counties. This is especially acute in SD where the majority live within about a 1/8 of the overall county right along the coast from Oceanside to the border (no even that far). East county itself is not really that far east when you look at a county map.

Spreading out 3.6 million people over all that area grossly misrepresents what the majority of people living along that small coastal portion of the county experience every day. That's the real SD where most live. As for Anza Borrego, Cleveland National Forest, Pine Valley, Julian, San Felipe, Warner Springs, etc... those are completely separate regions.

Do you really think SD is not that crowded with 3.6 million people and growing? That's more people alone than about half the states in the US. Total population matters when it comes to traffic and overcrowding, especially within relatively small, centralized areas in SoCal like SD, OC and LA. All three counties all have over 3 million residents and all have significant overcrowding and congestion problems with Riverside and San Bernardino counties not far behind.

Attempting to bash Vancouver is a rather childish, off-topic deflection while still denying the very obvious overcrowding issues SD faces. Welcome to SD group think which is actually a very good representation of the way folks think and act there. SD is the best city on earth with no real problems at all. Don't question it. There's no denial here at all. Nice job, well done.

Derek

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