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Old 01-10-2021, 01:34 AM
 
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Clovis is Fresno no matter how much Clovis residents try so hard to separate themselves. It is IN FRESNO COUNTY.
Fresno is the 5th largest city in the entire state of CA. Clovis is not even close to that. Fresno has 550,000 people while clovis has 120,000. Fresno has various neighborhoods, more diverse demographics, income levels, etc. So yes there are good, bad, meh, ok, types. While Clovis is generally good and better but it also has some pockets of meh (tarpey village and surrounding)

It is a thing to live in Clovis to not have Fresno city in your address.

But generally north fresno especially north of shaw and more so north of herndon share same vibe, income levels, demographics, as most of clovis.

The best zip codes IN FRESNO IMO from best to good is this order 93730, 93720, 93711, 93722 (only north of shaw section), 93723, 93727. the first few zip codes fall under Clovis unified schools which are highly regarded, rewarded, awarded, highly ranked district and schools in the STATE. As for Clovis, North clovis and loma vista areas would be my pick. Unfortunately downtown fresno and surrounding is dead, embarassing, and close to some of the worst parts of the city and instantly shows why Sacramento is still leaps ahead with the lack of a thriving downtown in Fresno.

WEather is similar to sac BUT stays hotter longer through the evening as there is no delta breeze.

As for air quality, there is no denying that central valley has some of the worst air quality in CA. Sac has much better air quality.

But despite some of those cons, Fresno has less crime than Sac, and it also is $100-150K LESS median price of a home.

Think of Fresno as if Sacramento and Bakersfield had a kid and it was Fresno
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Old 01-10-2021, 01:35 AM
 
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Since Clovis is contiguous to Fresno, the air quality data would be about the same. The Weather Channel and the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District provide daily air quality forecasts:

https://weather.com/forecast/air-qua...2cb6b95494c4be

https://www.valleyair.org/aqinfo/forecast.htm

https://www.valleyair.org/Home.htm





Thank you!


I looked at the links and seems that the closest city to Fresno that has better air quality is Madera! Is it better to live there rather than Clovis or Fresno and commute to Fresno?
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Old 01-10-2021, 01:50 AM
 
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Fresno air quality is by far worse than Sacramento on average.

The biggest difference is the amount of days that are considered "unhealthy" versus "moderate".

If the air is not in the "good" category but in the "moderate" category, often it will still be counted as a "bad air" day.

Fresno has way more "unhealthy" days than Sacramento. If the air is in the "unhealthy" category in Fresno, for example 20 days of "unhealthy" air in one month and Sacramento has 20 days in the "moderate" category, they will say Sacramento had just as many "bad air" days as Fresno.

Another example, days in June, one of the worst months for bad air:
Fresno = 20 days in the "unhealthy" category; 5 days in moderate category.

Sacramento = 5 days in the "unhealthy" category; 15 days in moderate category; 5 days in good category.

They will count that Sacramento had almost as many "spare the air" days has Fresno when actually Sacramento air was a lot healthier because it had 15 fewer days in the "unhealthy" category, most of the days were in the "moderate" category and some of the days were in the "good" category.
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Old 01-10-2021, 01:51 AM
 
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2020 sac had much better air quality because large fires burned for longer near fresno, but there isn't much difference most years. You're incorrect there, modded.

No, do not do that commute from madera to to central Fresno. Not worth it. Just stick to north Fresno or clovis, and get an electric car when you can afford to.
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Old 01-10-2021, 01:55 AM
 
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2020 sac had much better air quality because large fires burned for longer near fresno, but there isn't much difference most years. You're incorrect there, modded.

No, do not do that commute from madera to to central Fresno. Not worth it. Just stick to north Fresno or clovis, and get an electric car when you can afford to.



OK. Thank you!
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Old 01-10-2021, 02:19 AM
 
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Think of Fresno as if Sacramento and Bakersfield had a kid and it was Fresno
I totally understand where you are coming from but it really is not very accurate. It fails to capture the economics and culture that is lacking in Fresno. Also, Both Bakersfield and Sacramento have higher median incomes and higher educational attainment than Fresno.

It does not account for how much cooler the summer weather is in Sacramento and how much wetter the winter weather is in Sacramento compared to both Fresno and Bakersfield.

Sacramento has way more qualities economically and culturally to Portland, Austin, Kansas City, Orlando, Phoenix and Denver........
.......that your scenario does not really capture because Bakersfield is actually on the same level as Fresno regarding income levels, culture, and educational attainment.
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Old 01-10-2021, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Flovis
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I totally understand where you are coming from but it really is not very accurate. It fails to capture the economics and culture that is lacking in Fresno. Also, Both Bakersfield and Sacramento have higher median incomes and higher educational attainment than Fresno.

It does not account for how much cooler the summer weather is in Sacramento and how much wetter the winter weather is in Sacramento compared to both Fresno and Bakersfield.

Sacramento has way more qualities economically and culturally to Portland, Austin, Kansas City, Orlando, Phoenix and Denver........
.......that your scenario does not really capture because Bakersfield is actually on the same level as Fresno regarding income levels, culture, and educational attainment.
Bakersfield has worse educational attainment stats than fresno. Wrong. Off the top of my head.
Bakersfield gets an F for education levels
Fresno D
Sacramento C+
There's a solid gap between Fresno and Sac, but at least things are on the upswing tor Fresno.

Fresno has a lower income level than madera and hanford, too. Which I find it a little hard to believe because so many people from those two cities commute to fresno for work. Something seems off in the data. It wouldn't surprise me if numbers got left out for Fresno. And yes, I've seen big mistakes before

"Sacramento has way more qualities economically and culturally to Portland, Austin, Kansas City, Orlando, Phoenix and Denver........"

Nope
Oklahoma city, SLC, Raleigh is closer to reality for sac, chim. Maybe in ten years will sac reach what you love to claim(btw, i like sacs chances )

Fresno = tucson, wichita, el paso, maybe tulsa.
It's a little above Bakersfield, you'd know this if you spent more time down here.

Edit: bako sister cities = stockton, waco, ??

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Old 01-10-2021, 09:38 AM
 
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Thank you!


I looked at the links and seems that the closest city to Fresno that has better air quality is Madera! Is it better to live there rather than Clovis or Fresno and commute to Fresno?
It wont be much better if even noticeable unless you live in the rural woodsy close to sierra foothills area of madera COUNTY. But we could also say that about fresno COUNTY as someone may have mentioned more east of clovis going towards yosemite and rest of sierra foothills and away from the flatter farm areas in the middle by the 5/99 air quality will of course be better. Unless of course another forest fire hits.

With that said, Madera has NOTHING to offer. It's a decent sized town of 65K and you dont hear much bad going on there but also nothing good. It's not in fresno county as its in it's own county of madera but it might as well be part of fresno as its literally RIGHT there next to it. IIRC there isnt much to do and see in madera. They have some typical big box stores but thats about it. Just like most of the other surrounding small to mid size towns and cities of central CA, you will likely be going to Fresno/clovis to do anything, eat anything, see anything and most likely work.

If you HAVE to live in Madera, look into master plan communities of Riverstone and Tesoro Viejo. Very beautiful nice suburb master plans off the 41. These neighborhoods are more so for people settling down starting families and want nice decent sized homes. Contrary to everyone thinking the central valley/central CA being "cheap" the best areas still might be costly as the home prices there are easily $400-600K. With some very tiny 1300-1500 sq ft no yard/no driveway type homes maybe dippping into the high 200s. It is isolated there though as its just a sprawl of hundreds nearing thousand homes with no big major retailer. The positive and one of their advertising points is of course "only 10-15 mins from Fresno's River Park" which is one of if not the best commercial/dining/shopping areas in Fresno. Also if school is important, its not clovis unified there obviously so you would have to check how schools are in that area of madera.
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Old 01-10-2021, 11:00 AM
 
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Thanks!
What about Clovis?
Where can I get this info?
Go to the top of theCity Data home page click on "City-Data.com" and then enter the city and state and scroll way down till you see the chart. Then look at how many spikes over the average there is.
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Old 01-10-2021, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Flovis
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chim,

Fresnos airport is getting upgraded very soon. It will have links to the east coast which will be huge(hello, European tourists). The new mayors favorite topic is downtown revitalization. You can tell that Downtown is eminently on his mind. That's a good sign, i was worried for a bit.
Fresno just passed a billion+ dollar measure and most of the money will be going towards the park system!
They're building a lot of Master planned suburbs just north of Fresno. New medical school is getting built in downtown. Lastly, sac isn't the only valley city with a hot real estate market. Sac is predicted to be the #1 market in america, while Fresno is predicted to be #13 for 2021(don't be shocked if it beats the prediction).

you're right, chim, Fresno is closer to Bakersfield than to sac, but Fresno will be zooming past bako in just a few years. All the parts are in place for that to happen.
Remember this convo, chim. Ttyl

Edit: tbf, bako also passed a billion dollar measure, but I believe a large chunk of it will be going towards the police force :/
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