Should California split into multiple states? (Sacramento, Monterey: subdivisions, tax, living)

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by Zapparulez

Baja California is already called South California

I could have sworn it was called Lower California.

By the way, Baja is already divided into two states, but why should a 'Merican know that?

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

I could have sworn it was called Lower California.

By the way, Baja is already divided into two states, but why should a 'Merican know that?

You're right...lower and upper. I forgot that. Still, what sense would it be to have a Southern California (California Sur) and a Baja California (Lower California). It's still lame.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Zapparulez

The problem with this proposal is that the people who control the politics of this state (Bay Area and LA) will never allow the rest of us to leave. So much for democracy. Baja California is already called South California, so I propose a northern California and just California for the souther part.

I suggest marking the barrier along the center just south of Sacramento and have it go north to allow the Bay Area to be part of the Southern California. I promise that an overwhelming majority in the area I just marked out to the north would vote in favor of this proposal. Too bad the Bay Area and LA enjoy ruling over us with an iron fist, or we'd be able to have freedom once again.

Some California Republicans did propose exactly this on the floor of the State Legislature back in the '90s in order to create a "red state" (I know the term was not used then). It didn't pass. However I'm not sure if those Repubs' plan for a state of "North California" would have resulted in a reliably red state considering the political tendencies of the coastal counties - the result would have been a swing state with "South California" being even more overwhelmingly Dem than it already is.

[Spincycle]

San Diego metro should swap places with SF metro. Give LA, Hollywood, and "new SD" to Mexico, wall it off like a Wall of China, call it Mexifornia. Give "new SF" and everything north to Oregon, for a "greater Oregon". Leave everything remaining in-between as "new California". Give the taxpaying families relief and peace of mind. Enough is enough already.

[majoun]

There are probably people here who do not know that the US/Mexican border was originally going to be drawn further north from where it is now. Under the original plans, Santa Barbara would have been a "border town". It was then-Major Robert E. Lee's idea to draw the border further south in order for the US to possess the natural port of San Diego.

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by majoun

Some California Republicans did propose exactly this on the floor of the State Legislature back in the '90s in order to create a "red state" (I know the term was not used then). It didn't pass. However I'm not sure if those Repubs' plan for a state of "North California" would have resulted in a reliably red state considering the political tendencies of the coastal counties - the result would have been a swing state with "South California" being even more overwhelmingly Dem than it already is.

I'd prefer a swing state over what we have now. My vote never matters. Not that it would now, since I have left the Republican Party in favor the Constitution Party...but in reality it wouldn't matter either way since my vote matters as much when voting for Republicans as it will when voting for Constitutionalists.

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by majoun

There are probably people here who do not know that the US/Mexican border was originally going to be drawn further north from where it is now. Under the original plans, Santa Barbara would have been a "border town". It was then-Major Robert E. Lee's idea to draw the border further south in order for the US to possess the natural port of San Diego.

Robert E. Lee was a smart man. My step dad is descended from General Lee. The ironic thing is that he was opposed to slavery(though he directly owned a half dozen up until the end of the war...he did inherit almost 200, so I guess thats not too bad) and against secession, but he fought for his native state out of honor. He was treated with respect and dignity by General Grant and was never charged as a war criminal. Though, it took almost 105 years after Lee's death in 1870 for his U.S. citizenship to be restored. The South is often villanized by the leftist educational system, and rightly so, but there are a few exceptions and General Lee is one of them.

[NorthernCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Spincycle

San Diego metro should swap places with SF metro. Give LA, Hollywood, and "new SD" to Mexico, wall it off like a Wall of China, call it Mexifornia. Give "new SF" and everything north to Oregon, for a "greater Oregon". Leave everything remaining in-between as "new California". Give the taxpaying families relief and peace of mind. Enough is enough already.

LA and SF pay more taxes on their own than the entirety of your "new California." Broke does not mean "tax paying." Tax paying implies working. SF works. LA works.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by NorthernCalifornia

LA and SF pay more taxes on their own than the entirety of your "new California." Broke does not mean "tax paying." Tax paying implies working. SF works. LA works.

True despite the problems of both cities. Said "New California" would be a basket case with high welfare dependancy, low incomes and the same problems with drugs and crime as California's big cities. Not to mention the irony in the OP's post that the SD area is more "Mexifornian" than the Bay Area.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Zapparulez

I'd prefer a swing state over what we have now. My vote never matters. Not that it would now, since I have left the Republican Party in favor the Constitution Party...but in reality it wouldn't matter either way since my vote matters as much when voting for Republicans as it will when voting for Constitutionalists.

A Constitution Party member in California? That's like a Green Party member in Alabama....