Should California split into multiple states? (Los Angeles, Sacramento: college, minimum wage, quality of life)

[j420norcal]

Originally Posted by ferretkona

I was shown ideas of the division if split, two states was at the point there at Nevada.

So then, who gets Tahoe?

[Collideascope]

Originally Posted by Vicman

That is exactly the point of the U.S. Senate - The House and Senate are a compromise between the "big" states and the "small" states.

Indeed, without this aspect of the "Great Compromise" the Constitution would have failed -- it would not have been ratified.

[Winterswolf]

This is all wrong! The ONLY State that can legally split under Federal Law is Texas, yes into 5 - though I think it would be a major mistake and weaken it as a whole, as it was the ONLY one given that option when it joined the Union. NO other State can separate or secede ... You cannot make two (or more) States from one existing one! This is much like the problem with so many State's imposing Spanish as a second language into our daily literature ... This is an English (American) speaking Counrty. And, the only State allowed to have two languages (legally) is Louisiana (English and French), as it was the French we acquired it from. Hence, there is no true discussion to any of this ... it is all mute, since the possibility of a State separating is null and void! Perhaps these illiterate Americans need to go back to school, they might learn something about Political Science/Government History and the many various laws governing it. Not to mention, I doubt the Federal Government would ever allow it anyway... Idiots!

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Winterswolf

This is all wrong! The ONLY State that can legally split under Federal Law is Texas, yes into 5 - though I think it would be a major mistake and weaken it as a whole, as it was the ONLY one given that option when it joined the Union. NO other State can separate or secede ... You cannot make two (or more) States from one existing one! This is much like the problem with so many State's imposing Spanish as a second language into our daily literature ... This is an English (American) speaking Counrty. And, the only State allowed to have two languages (legally) is Louisiana (English and French), as it was the French we acquired it from. Hence, there is no true discussion to any of this ... it is all mute, since the possibility of a State separating is null and void! Perhaps these illiterate Americans need to go back to school, they might learn something about Political Science/Government History and the many various laws governing it. Not to mention, I doubt the Federal Government would ever allow it anyway... Idiots!

No, any state may split up. The state's legislature must agree to it then Congress must approve it. Texas was given the right to split up without the approval of Congress when it entered the U.S. Article 4 section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

[Cali BassMan]

Splitter up, then turn off the pumps at the Delta..Let SoCal drink sea water

[mountain man 1957]

you're messing up---it's impossible to argue with the uninformed. To insinuate that OC, one of the few conservative bastions in California, is closer to communism then SF-that's just ignorant. Communism is truly a concept formed in the liberal mind. California is in the mess it is because of the tax and spend-buy votes-policies that the liberal agenda has shoved down our throats. The government should stop using the citizens as cash cows and learn to put their house in order as we do ourselves. Business-jobs are leaving this state faster then ever due to the over legislated employment laws and the high taxes. Over 4000,000 illegals are paying no taxes in LA county alone! The rich can't pay for everything--tax the rich and feed the poor till there are no rich no more!

[calithenksnow]

I was born in the Bay Area, and grew up in northcentral CA. I have family in the bay area, and the central valley, we are spread out from San Fran, Oakland, San Leandro, Hayward, Livermore, Patterson, Modesto, Stockton, Bakersfield, Manteca. The coastal areas of Cali, are far different from the eastern regions, why not split her down the middle, give the ag/farm regions their own government, and the more populated costal/metro areas their own government.

[magestar]

Originally Posted by Winterswolf

This is all wrong! The ONLY State that can legally split under Federal Law is Texas, yes into 5 - though I think it would be a major mistake and weaken it as a whole, as it was the ONLY one given that option when it joined the Union. NO other State can separate or secede ... You cannot make two (or more) States from one existing one! This is much like the problem with so many State's imposing Spanish as a second language into our daily literature ... This is an English (American) speaking Counrty. And, the only State allowed to have two languages (legally) is Louisiana (English and French), as it was the French we acquired it from. Hence, there is no true discussion to any of this ... it is all mute, since the possibility of a State separating is null and void! Perhaps these illiterate Americans need to go back to school, they might learn something about Political Science/Government History and the many various laws governing it. Not to mention, I doubt the Federal Government would ever allow it anyway... Idiots!

Quoting the Article IV Section 3


of the United States Constitution
" New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

so the Law of the Land say you can. Mr "Perhaps these illiterate Americans need to go back to school, they might learn something about Political Science/Government History and the many various laws governing it"

[hotrod1391]

One of the biggest bragging rights of California is the enormous GNP produced by this state and the huge population and diversity that make it so great. We have some of the most beautiful cities, rurual communties and state and national park areas in the United States. The issues isn't whether there should be a Northern and a Southern California but in how this state spends it's money. Taxes in this state per individual are some of the highest in the country. The collection of those taxes represents a huge pot of money. Consider the collections of property taxes on all those new homes with California's property values being some of the highest in the nation. Yet our State, city and county governments spent that money without regard to acknowledging that the "gravy train" would one day slow down. It was wreckless and irresponsible spending. With those same people in office, representing "your interest", what makes you think that splitting this state into 2 or 5 regions will makes us any better off? It will result in 5 bankrupt states instead of 1. The better decision is to select the "right representative" next time you vote and not take a back seat (not voting" or voting just because of party lines (Republican / Democrat).

[mountain man 1957]

the Bay area is expensive to live in but the most? you obviously have never been to Beverly Hills-Villa Park-Palos Verdes-Brentwood-etc it's that there is a large concentration of wealthy in the bay area but the cost of living is so high there. The minimum wage in the bay area is higher than the rest of the state. In the bay area it is required that auto mechanics be in the union. Not to mention that the residents of the bay area tend to live in a world or rainbows and butterflies where there is no evil accept the mean ole United States. So buy the world a coke and let's all sing kum by ya.