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Old 08-21-2008, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Hauser Lake,ID
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I dunno, I am trying to put myself in the Governator's place and imagining what I would do. Seems to me I would be a whole lot more radical given the opportunity. I mean he was already a household name and he could have used the microphone to show the general populace how the maggots in the legislature were flushing our money down the drain. I only saw him when trying to get elected twice and now asking for more tax. It is not right.

 
Old 08-22-2008, 12:19 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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You may think it does, but I don't attach myself to ANY party. I'm just a simple person who believes in fundamental right and wrong. It is wrong for CA to extort my money and hand it over to people that should not even be here.
Well, you are referring to the federal responsibility of controling the border [that is not California's duty & it is impossible for one state to secure the federal border with Mexico]. But Prop 187 was illegal even before a Republican governor [not Schwarzenegger] promoted it & that was the end of any GOP influence in California [that even President Bush criticized as a stupid racist initiative].

As others have stated, the Republican party has no influence in California unless they follow people like Governor Schwarzenegger. This is not a state that will ever embrace the typical GOP line & only vote for a Republican when totally frustrated with a Democrat. The Democratic party in California is about the most socialist of any state so regulations on corporations\ taxes on the wealthy\ universal health care\ strong environmental controls\ pro-gay rights, etc is what the people want. If that is too difficult for some people they have to decide where they want to live.

At least, in California the people have more involvement in state-wide decisions then most other states & as others have pointed out almost every initiative to provide more programs is voting in overwhelmingly. So we have to find the money to pay for these programs [and look to DC to give back California it's fair share of federal taxes - something Bush has repeatedly denied California [that will end when Obama is president
 
Old 08-22-2008, 04:03 AM
 
Location: LB/OC for now...
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I dunno, I am trying to put myself in the Governator's place and imagining what I would do. Seems to me I would be a whole lot more radical given the opportunity. I mean he was already a household name and he could have used the microphone to show the general populace how the maggots in the legislature were flushing our money down the drain. I only saw him when trying to get elected twice and now asking for more tax. It is not right.
he got in trouble for calling the state legislature economic girlymen a few years back during another past-due budget session. last month he decided to preempt the crisis and layoff or cut wages on a few thousand non-essential state employees. he only has so much power unfortunately. in our system of government executives are talkers while legislators are the do'ers
 
Old 08-22-2008, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Hauser Lake,ID
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My motivation to join CD was probably the same as most people, relocation. It looks to me that CA is on a freight train to the third-world. If a larger than life action figure can't do anything about it, then I probably can't either. I have been paying taxes for some 25 years now and have received no benefits whatsoever. I pay for schools (even though I have no children) that are a failure. I drive on roads that are in total shambles. I pay outrageous amounts for power. Now they are telling me I can't water my lawn or wash my car. My standard of living is going nowhere but down. Guess it is time to head out and look elsewhere.
 
Old 08-22-2008, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Rolando, San Diego CA 92115
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I have been paying taxes for some 25 years now and have received no benefits whatsoever. I pay for schools (even though I have no children) that are a failure. I drive on roads that are in total shambles. I pay outrageous amounts for power. Now they are telling me I can't water my lawn or wash my car. My standard of living is going nowhere but down. Guess it is time to head out and look elsewhere.
I think you would like Nevada, Arizona, Texas or another highly conservative state. California will never be that kind of a place.
 
Old 08-22-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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Default WRONG! How dare you blame the State Employees

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Been saying that for years , only way to strighten up a house that is leaning the wrong way is to start at the bottom and clean out all the bad timbers ( Employees) and rebuild with solid not corupt material ! Right !????
for Arnold's failings? The idiots who voted for that steroid-crazed lunkhead are the ones to blame. In my experience people who want to blame non-managerial civil servants for their woes are people who couldn't pass the civil service test. With logic like that demonstrated by Fighter I can see why he was rejected. Get over it and start planning for the post-Arnold era.

BTW, don't feel so bad, Fighter. State employment is no bed of roses and is grossly underpaid compared with the private sector which is why there's so much turnover..
 
Old 08-22-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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My motivation to join CD was probably the same as most people, relocation. It looks to me that CA is on a freight train to the third-world. If a larger than life action figure can't do anything about it, then I probably can't either. I have been paying taxes for some 25 years now and have received no benefits whatsoever. I pay for schools (even though I have no children) that are a failure. I drive on roads that are in total shambles. I pay outrageous amounts for power. Now they are telling me I can't water my lawn or wash my car. My standard of living is going nowhere but down. Guess it is time to head out and look elsewhere.
No disrespect but your "woe is me" line a bit absurd Gee, for 25 yrs you have been paying taxes like all Californians but have received no benefits whatsoever! Seems to me I recall some pretty bad wild fires that threated several areas of the Santa Clarita Valley last year [wonder how much money the state paid in providing you fire department personnel? And when the 1994 Northridge earthquake hit all that damage to the 5\Golden State freeway was repaired in months. What benefits exactly are you looking for? [a handout for being a good citizen?]. So if you don't have any kids you shouldn't have to pay for schools? [that's about as logical as saying people who don't drive shouldn't have to pay taxes for freeways! Speaking of roads, what roads specifically are "in total shambles"? I haven't been in Valencia for a few years but the last time I don't recall seeing/driving on any roads that were in "shambles" and certainly not the freeway since CALTRANS has been improving it right through Valencia\Santa Clarita.

Now I understand power bills but we both live in areas that require A/C. California has probably the most aggressive government when it comes to corporate rip-offs [remember Governor Davis battling with Bush\Cheney & the Texas electrical suppliers for cutting-back service while gouging Californian's with extreme costs? Generally, you can look to the Republican party for any hoax with big business & why you are lucky that you don't live in Texas, my friend [ala McCain].

Unless I don't know something but when did northern LA county go on water rationing? I can wash my car & irrigate my palm trees & I believe we are in the same water district.

"Guess it is time to head out and look elsewhere" [you do that because selfish people are never happy giving something until they need it [ie San Diego county repeatedly voted down the creation of a county-wide fire department & paid for it dearly [some of those very selfish citizens turned around and sued the county when their house burned to the ground?

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Old 08-22-2008, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Hauser Lake,ID
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I guess I am just having trouble with the math. I am all for the firefighters, but for what I (we) pay, that fire should have been put out in nanoseconds. For the 40% more revenue they have taken in lately, I should have 40% better roads. If the gov. had been working for our best interests, we would have power plants out the gazoo and water enough to eliminate deserts.
 
Old 08-22-2008, 12:06 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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I guess I am just having trouble with the math. I am all for the firefighters, but for what I (we) pay, that fire should have been put out in nanoseconds. For the 40% more revenue they have taken in lately, I should have 40% better roads. If the gov. had been working for our best interests, we would have power plants out the gazoo and water enough to eliminate deserts.
You didn't answer the questions about your earlier statements b\c they are not true. Retiring in California is expensive [no argument there] but the benefits are worth the cost in my opinion [esp if you take a close look at the cheaper states: Texas we get what we pay for & in California that means very busy lawmakers moving the state toward practical remedies.

The recession is hurting the entire nation & the housing market is in the worse shape since the 1970's - state tax revenues are down - prices are up. I give credit to Schwarzenegger that he is a very "hands-on" governor & is trying to deal with his own party to increase taxes [just like every governor before him - ie Reagan] during slow economic times.
 
Old 08-22-2008, 12:10 PM
 
Location: New York
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I'm still scrathing my head as to HOW he got elected in the first place!
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