Nov 4 State Propositions! (Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco: mortgage, felons, homosexual)

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by cr1039

I have been going through this thread and am finally compelled to respond to you.

YOU READ? Ha! Yeah, the poster who does not know the difference between "there and their" and "you're and your" reads.

So what does that have to do with the topic?

[cr1039]

When discussing such important topics as the proposed propositions, I am interested in hearing from educated, worldly people.

Many people may have opinions, but a person who is specifically promoting themselves as an educated member of society, working in the health care industry should at least come across a fraction as intelligent as they believe themselves to be.

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by wehotex

thank you so much. leviticus 18:22 is oft referred to by the right wingers. the other parables from leviticus seem to have gone by the wayside. thanks for mentioning 24:14. maybe that should be the basis for a new commercial, making reference to the ridiculous parables from leviticus. i hope that calif voters are fair minded enough to vote NO on 8, but it's worrisome when you hear that churches are preaching from the pulpit urging their parishioners to vote yes.

There's plenty more to go around from Leviticus. Can't imagine a proposition for all of the rules and abominations, but with the importance of agriculture, vineyards, non-native plants and the poor in CA, maybe we need some initiatives based on these:

19:9 - And when ye reap the harvest of your land, though shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 19:10 - And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather [every] grape...; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger.

Try to pass those over on Monsanto or ADM!

19:23 - And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years ... shall it not be eaten of.

U-oh, Department of Agriculture: are you listening?

[JetJockey]

Whenever fundies quote Leviticus, I like to remind them of God Hates Shrimp.

Don't you dare eat shellfish, or wear cotton/polyester blends. There's also a funny letter written by Dr. Laura regarding Leviticus, but it's kinda long to post.

[Collideascope]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

8. Mariage is between a man and a woman.

Wrong.

In Massachusetts and California, marriage is between any two consenting adults. And that's just civil marriage. In every state and territory, churches are of course free to marry any two consenting adults, even though the particular jurisdiction may not recognize that marriage.

You desperately want marriage to solely be between a man and a woman, but it isn't. And falsely claiming that it is only makes you look foolish.

[Collideascope]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

What about the guy that is in love with his 1967 Corvette? Should he be allowed to marry the car? Ibet that some guy loves his pet goat. Why should he be kept from marring the goat?

Are cars and goats citizens? Can they enter into contracts?

The answer, obviously, is "no".

What part of "between mutually consenting adults" don't you understand?

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by Collideascope

Are cars and goats citizens? Can they enter into contracts?

The answer, obviously, is "no".

What part of "between mutually consenting adults" don't you understand?

I've never quite understood that thought process..... "Well, if two men can get married (kinda funny that nobody minds lesbians.... it's always men) than you should be able to marry whatever you want."

(and I know it's a bit odd, but all this prop 8 nonsense reminds me of PeeWee Hermans playhouse... since you love fruit salad so much why don't you marry it!!! Then he did. Nobody cared...ha)

It's quite possibly the stupidest, least thought out argument ever.

[LASam]

Alright... lets keep things rolling here! I got an e-mail from the LA County Democratic Party... and here is their stance on the propositions:



Proposition 1A - YES - Safe, Reliable High-Speed Passenger Train Bond Act
Vote Yes on Prop 1A to bring Californians a safe, convenient, affordable, and reliable alternative to soaring gasoline prices, freeway congestion, and rising airfares

Proposition 2 - YES - Stop Cruelty to Farm Animals
Vote Yes on Prop 2 to stop cruelty to farm animals to improve our health and food safety

Proposition 3 - YES - Children's Hospital Bond Act
Vote Yes on Prop 3 to help children's hospitals build more capacity and acquire the latest technology to help all of our children without raising taxes

Proposition 4 - NO - Put Teens at Risk Act
Vote No on Prop 4 because it jeopardizes the health and safety of teenage girls and may create life-threatening risks

Proposition 5 - YES - Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act
Vote Yes on Prop 5 to help reduce prison overcrowding, save tax dollars, and rehabilitate young nonviolent offenders

Proposition 6 - NO - Ineffective Prison and Crime Reform
Vote No on Prop 6 because it threatens funds for other critical programs and disrupts existing crime prevention efforts

Proposition 7 - NO - Another Costly and Risky Energy Scheme
Vote No on Prop 7 - it's bankrolled by an out-of-state billionaire; it will disrupt renewable energy development, drive out small energy businesses, cause higher bills, and may lead to another energy crisis

Proposition 8 - NO - Don't Eliminate Marriage for Anyone
Vote No on Prop 8 and stop the attempt to take away the constitutional right of same-sex couples to marry

Proposition 9 - NO - Misguided and Unnecessary Prison Reform
Vote No on Prop 9 because it's an expensive, unnecessary initiative that duplicates current victims' rights laws and increases taxpayers' expense

Proposition 10 - NEUTRAL - Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy Bond

Proposition 11 - NO - Stop Another Political Power Grab!
Prop 11 is a deceitful political shell game with a hidden agenda that creates a complicated and unrepresentative redistricting process and is primarily funded by Republicans

Proposition 12 - YES - Veterans' Bond Act of 2008
Vote Yes on Prop 12 to keep California's promise to veterans by helping them obtain low-interest home loans with no taxpayer expense

[mommabear2]

Originally Posted by happ

Pathetic attempt to justify your homophobia\ intolerance\ ignorance. Live with yourself & maybe you will return where you came from [soon!

I think NewtoCa is presenting some legitimate ideas for prop. 8. but the hostility you are expressing towards NewtoCa is making ME question whether I should side with your view. I'm undecided and you're not making a good case for it. Homophobia? Intolerant? Ignorance? Is that your case against prop. 8?

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by mommabear2

I think NewtoCa is presenting some legitimate ideas for prop. 8. but the hostility you are expressing towards NewtoCa is making ME question whether I should side with your view. I'm undecided and you're not making a good case for it. Homophobia? Intolerant? Ignorance? Is that your case against prop. 8?

Sorry to butt in. IMO the case against Prop 8 is about civil rights. But as a social libertarian, the stronger case against Prop 8 to me is this: keep government out of our lives -- and leave decisions of love and marriage to individual consenting adults!