Nov 4 State Propositions! (Los Angeles, Montclair, San Fernando: house, living in, costs)

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I would like to post this again. EVERYONE PLEASE WATCH THIS.

A review of the yes on prop 8 ad by a reliable news source.

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Originally Posted by sav858

are you serious?? Marrying an underage child and a goat? Doing either causes harm to the underage child or the animal, which is why both are illegal to have any type of relationship or sexual contact with. You're violating their rights by doing so. Two CONSENTING adults marrying does not harm anyone. A car isn't even a living thing, that just makes absolutely no sense. I'm sorry but these "arguments" are just really off the wall and ridiculous and I can't believe you are being serious with them.


So once again I ask, HOW does allowing two gay people to marry "destroy" the traditional family unit? Your constant refusal to answer this question just shows you have absolutely no basis or reasoning for your assertion.

If Proposition 8 is defeated schools will have to teach that marriage is between anyone or thing. If proposition 8 is defeated anyone can go to any church and ask to be married in that church, even if the church does not believe in their type of marriage. Church organizations will be required to allow individuals to adopt children even if the individuals don't fit that churches beliefs. Lets look at what the traditional family unit is: a man, woman and if they are blessed with them children. That is the ideal arangement to raise a child in. Children have a right to that arangement. I will agree that it doesn't always happen like that.

A defeat of Proposition 8 means that the interests of children and families will no longer be a consideration. Marriage will become a contractual agreement between party A and party B and it doesn't matter who or what the two parties are. From the beggining of time marriage has been between a man and a woman. How can you even say that marriage between a man and a man the same as marriage between a man and a woman? How is the marriage between a woman and a woman the same as marriage between a man and a woman?

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Originally Posted by happ

Why won't Republicans explain their point of view by defending their statements? How does gay marriage destroy the institution of marriage? Are Christians who accept gay marriage wrong?

Please stand up & explain yourself if you can!

How is it possible to be a christian and accept gay marriage?

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Originally Posted by sav858

are you serious?? Marrying an underage child and a goat? Doing either causes harm to the underage child or the animal, which is why both are illegal to have any type of relationship or sexual contact with. You're violating their rights by doing so. Two CONSENTING adults marrying does not harm anyone. A car isn't even a living thing, that just makes absolutely no sense. I'm sorry but these "arguments" are just really off the wall and ridiculous and I can't believe you are being serious with them.


So once again I ask, HOW does allowing two gay people to marry "destroy" the traditional family unit? Your constant refusal to answer this question just shows you have absolutely no basis or reasoning for your assertion.

Was homosexuality ever illegal? Now it is accepted. For many years it was looked down by the majority. Now it is accepted. Even those that are attracted to the same sex for many years wouldn't admit it because of the public not accepting the life style.

Now we have people that practice polygammy. Others that have old men marring young girls. Individuals that are in to beastiallity. When you say no to a proposition that defines what marriage is you open it up to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. Remember that a defeat of the proposition allows open interpretation to marriage. Anyone can marry anyone or anything that they want.

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Originally Posted by Collideascope

Wrong.

In Massachusetts and California, marriage is between any two consenting adults. And that's just civil marriage. In every state and territory, churches are of course free to marry any two consenting adults, even though the particular jurisdiction may not recognize that marriage.

You desperately want marriage to solely be between a man and a woman, but it isn't. And falsely claiming that it is only makes you look foolish.

The people of California voted this into law already in 2000 by 61%. Mariage is between a man and a woman. The only reason that the state does not recognize the will of the people is because of four activist judges in San Francisco. Don't tell me what the state believes in, because a majority of them believe in the traditional family unit. Two states does not a national concensus make.

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Originally Posted by Collideascope

Are cars and goats citizens? Can they enter into contracts?

The answer, obviously, is "no".

What part of "between mutually consenting adults" don't you understand?

So your going to limit someones supposed civil liberties because of your beliefs? Are you saying because you don't like it then it shouldn't be? Vote no on Prop 8 and you give the right to anyone.

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I am just wondering why eveyone points out the scriptures in Leviticus when in Romans the scriptures are plain as can be. 1 Corinthians also has a great verse.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

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Originally Posted by cr1039

I have been going through this thread and am finally compelled to respond to you.

YOU READ? Ha! Yeah, the poster who does not know the difference between "there and their" and "you're and your" reads.

So sorry for the mis use of the English language. Unfortunatly I am from California where learning the language is especially difficult. I grew up in a place called Port Wyneme, in an area that pronounces names a little differently than other areas. For example Cammario is a city near where I live as well as the city of Oh High. but then those places aren't spelled as they sound either. You will find Port Hueneme, Camarillo, and Ojai on the map, but not those other places. In addition my thought process works differently than yours. Toss out an engineering, math, or science problem and chances are I will provide a solution before you can comprehend the question. Then again everyone has their talents. I find it quicker for me to answer questions within this forum at a fast rate of speed without thinking about which There to use. And yet you still had the ability to understand what it was I was trying to say. I applaud you for your inteligence within the use of the English language.

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What part of TWO CONSENTING ADULTS don't people understand.... A goat is not a consenting adult, an old man marrying a 12 year old girl is NOT a consenting adult. Goats cannot sign paperwork, nor do they have the mental capacity to understand contracts. A 12 year old girl cannot understand contracts and even if she could, her signature would be null and void considering she's under 18. Two people, over the age of 18 should be able to marry regardless of sexual orientation. And, I'm definitely NOT a christian and don't believe in g-d, so all this church bull isn't flying with me. Nobody has given a good answer to how it will affect their own personal marriage without bringing a church or religion into it.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

If Proposition 8 is defeated schools will have to teach that marriage is between anyone or thing. If proposition 8 is defeated anyone can go to any church and ask to be married in that church, even if the church does not believe in their type of marriage. Church organizations will be required to allow individuals to adopt children even if the individuals don't fit that churches beliefs. Lets look at what the traditional family unit is: a man, woman and if they are blessed with them children. That is the ideal arangement to raise a child in. Children have a right to that arangement. I will agree that it doesn't always happen like that.

A defeat of Proposition 8 means that the interests of children and families will no longer be a consideration. Marriage will become a contractual agreement between party A and party B and it doesn't matter who or what the two parties are. From the beggining of time marriage has been between a man and a woman. How can you even say that marriage between a man and a man the same as marriage between a man and a woman? How is the marriage between a woman and a woman the same as marriage between a man and a woman?

Why would they have to teach gay or any marriage? They don't even have to teach regular marriage between 2 straight people let alone two homosexuals. That is the biggest lie and such BS, nothing about prop 8 even mentions education. "Anyone" or "thing", give me a break! How are you even serious with that? We're not talking about allowing humans to marry animals or cars; that is just so absurd.

A church is a private institution and they can choose to marry who they want like they CURRENTLY do. None of that would change. This is what the CA Supreme Court stated in their original ruling: "no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs."

A marriage is for two PEOPLE who love each other, that is how you would "say" it.