Nov 4 State Propositions! (San Francisco, Sacramento: university, exemption, move)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

there is no proof either way. i know some women who are attracted to men and/or women depending on the mood and situation. bisexuality is rarely addressed when people bring up the "choice or born" discussion, but the fact is that there are people that choose one or the other or both based on their own needs, desires, and situations. others say they are born homosexual and have no choice in the matter. there is no way to definitively say either is 100% the case.

I'm not talking about BI-sexuals, I'm speaking strictly of HOMOsexuals.

There is a lot more scientific proof that homosexuality is NOT a choice and is something people are born with. There are many observed cases of animals in nature have same sex relationships. Studies that show straight women and gay men reacting the same to certain stimuli that straight males react different to.

I'm sorry but if anyone thinks homosexuality is a choice is very mistaken.

[bhcompy]

So you're saying that bisexuality and homosexuality is in no way related? where is the science to back that up? how can you make such an assumption?

[happ]

Originally Posted by MyHumbleOpinion

Actually this is not BS you suggest that it is. This is a matter of case law.

Here is a quick definition: Case Law is the decisions, interpretations made by judges while deciding on the legal issues before them which are considered as the common law or as an aid for interpretation of a law in subsequent cases with similar conditions. Case laws are used by advocates to support their views to favor their clients and also it influence the decision of the judges.

The teaching of same sex relationships has become part of the curriculum in many Massachusetts public schools. This is because homosexual marriage is legal in that state. The case Parker vs. Lexington Public Schoola case was found in favor of the school. Consequently this case will be cited if a school decides to adopt pro-homosexual curriculum in California while gay marrige is legal. This in some degree takes the rights to raise and rear children from the parents and family and places it the hand of the school and the government.

Isn't it interesting that you are concerned about how children should be educated over the obvious yet demand that "creationism" [believe earth is 5000 yrs old] and school prayer be allowed! The most anti-intellectual want us to follow their Bible Belt beliefs [sorry but it doesn't sell here, fundie

[sav858]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

So you're saying that bisexuality and homosexuality is in no way related? where is the science to back that up? how can you make such an assumption?

No that is not what I am saying. I'm speaking about people who are attracted to the same sex when it comes to love. Sex and love are two different things.

[bhcompy]

and love is different for everyone. it is something that cannot be measured. bisexuality isn't just for sex. some people claim to be polyamorous, loving multiple partners regardless of gender. not necessarily driven by sex-drive. basically, what i'm saying is that there are always exceptions to it and there is no way to scientifically prove one over the other, so there is no way to make definitive remarks about it.

[Drowningintherain2]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Being attracted to the same sex is something that a person can change. God did not create individuals that go against his nature. We are all children of a Heavenly Father that loves us and wants us to return to live with him someday.The wordong in Prop 8 does not take any civil liberties away. A man can marry a woman if he chooses. Nothing is lost. No one is harmed by this, they have a choice.

No, people cannot change their sexuality. To say otherwise shows a level of ignorance that I find astounding. There is not one reputable study to back up this line of reasoning. Homosexuality has been observed in many different species, why would humans be any different? I would rather look at what has been shown scientifically rather than what the diety you choose to believe in "says". god, the toothyfairy et al have no role to play in civil marriages.
So,to sum up your view, gay people should be denied their civil rights because the ancient book that you believe was inspired by your diety says so. wow. how dare you?

[MyHumbleOpinion]

Originally Posted by happ

Isn't it interesting that you are concerned about how children should be educated over the obvious yet demand that "creationism" [believe earth is 5000 yrs old] and school prayer be allowed! The most anti-intellectual want us to follow their Bible Belt beliefs [sorry but it doesn't sell here, fundie

I am sorry but I have to call you out on your assumptions of my positions regarding creationism or school prayer. In none of my posts did I say that creationism should or should not be taught in schools or that school prayer should or should not be allowed. If you want to know where I stand on those issues, you can ask. That is fine by me. I definitely have an opinion. However I may suggest that it is highly anti-intellectual to make assumptions without factual basis. That could be called being judgmental or biased.

[MyHumbleOpinion]

Originally Posted by sav858

that is actually not true, the kid got into a fight over a cafeteria seat. When I was looking up the case I read a Boston Globe article that said that.

Thanks for setting me straight sav858. I looked into it further and it confirmed this.

[happ]

Originally Posted by MyHumbleOpinion

I am sorry but I have to call you out on your assumptions of my positions regarding creationism or school prayer. In none of my posts did I say that creationism should or should not be taught in schools or that school prayer should or should not be allowed. If you want to know where I stand on those issues, you can ask. That is fine by me. I definitely have an opinion. However I may suggest that it is highly anti-intellectual to make assumptions without factual basis. That could be called being judgmental or biased.

You are who you vote for. Vote for Bush & you get a very limited\ highly corrupt president who appeals to the worse in people: ignorance. If you don't believe that the world is 5000 yrs old why do you vote Republican?

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by happ

You are who you vote for. Vote for Bush & you get a very limited\ highly corrupt president who appeals to the worse in people: ignorance. If you don't believe that the world is 5000 yrs old why do you vote Republican?

News flash: Obama is a self-proscribed Christian, Clinton and Carter are/were Baptists, Johnson was Christian, and Kennedy was a Roman Catholic

Your straw man actually has no bearing at all considering that.