Nov 4 State Propositions! (Palm Springs: moving to, health, donated)

[Xplorer]

I'm sorry but, all the people who say that the yes on 8 supporters are alone, are very wrong... I am in a young age group(25) and every single person I have came into contact with and had a conversation about prop 8 is voting YES, including me. I come into contact with young people everyday all day in my line of work...

[MyHumbleOpinion]

Originally Posted by happ

You are who you vote for. Vote for Bush & you get a very limited\ highly corrupt president who appeals to the worse in people: ignorance. If you don't believe that the world is 5000 yrs old why do you vote Republican?

More assumptions....
Guess what you guessed wrong again. I have never voted for Bush. Either George W. Bush or George Herbert Walker Bush.

[MyHumbleOpinion]

I realized my post didn't make much sense, so I am reposting it.

Originally Posted by happ

You are who you vote for. Vote for Bush & you get a very limited\ highly corrupt president who appeals to the worse in people: ignorance. If you don't believe that the world is 5000 yrs old why do you vote Republican?

More assumptions...
Guess what... I have never voted for Bush: either George W. Bush or his father George Herbert Walker Bush.

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by Xplorer

I'm sorry but, all the people who say that the yes on 8 supporters are alone, are very wrong... I am in a young age group(25) and every single person I have came into contact with and had a conversation about prop 8 is voting YES, including me. I come into contact with young people everyday all day in my line of work...

I'm 24 and every person I've come in contact with i going to vote no, and they're quite vocal about it, even the one that went to a private Christian school for her entire life. I have many gay friends, do you?

[tangodoodles]

Originally Posted by Xplorer

I'm sorry but, all the people who say that the yes on 8 supporters are alone, are very wrong... I am in a young age group(25) and every single person I have came into contact with and had a conversation about prop 8 is voting YES, including me. I come into contact with young people everyday all day in my line of work...

Imaginary friends don't count, they can't vote. Seriously though, any "young friends" you have you must have met at the Pentecostal Play Group or something because I have yet to meet a fellow college student who will cop to voting Yes on 8.

[tangodoodles]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

I'm 24 and every person I've come in contact with i going to vote no, and they're quite vocal about it, even the one that went to a private Christian school for her entire life. I have many gay friends, do you?

From the sound of it, he's never even met a gay person. I agree though, I'm in college and I have not spoken to anyone who will admit to supporting Prop 8, most people are very vocal about their opposition to Prop 8.

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by tangodoodles

From the sound of it, he's never even met a gay person. I agree though, I'm in college and I have not spoken to anyone who will admit to supporting Prop 8, most people are very vocal about their opposition to Prop 8.

It's funny how most of the people voting yes on 8 have never come in contact with a gay person (that they know of...) and base their judgements solely on the media portrayal of crazy leatherbound chained up men running around with rainbow flags. Although there are a few of those (I've met a bunch, really engaging, interesting people..haha) most just want to lead their lives like anyone else, it just happens they want to lead it with a person of the same sex.

[Roaddog]

I learned over many years not to predict the outcome, I've seen many things pass or not that surprised me and I've also seen many people blowing off their mouth that don't even vote. When you look at the low percentage of people that vote you got to wonder if anything really matters.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by Xplorer

I'm sorry but, all the people who say that the yes on 8 supporters are alone, are very wrong... I am in a young age group(25) and every single person I have came into contact with and had a conversation about prop 8 is voting YES, including me. I come into contact with young people everyday all day in my line of work...

apparently, you young ppl nowadays have NO heart.

[caldje]

Proponents of Prop 8 continue to lie in their television ads.
Here’s what’s fiction and what’s fact:
Fiction: Teaching children about same-sex marriage will happen here unless we pass Prop 8.
Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it, and the Yes on 8 campaign knows they are lying. Sacramento Superior Court Judge Timothy Frawley has already ruled that this claim by Prop 8 proponents is “false and misleading.”


Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.
Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”


Fiction: A Massachusetts case about a parent’s objection to the school curriculum will happen here.
Fact: Unlike Massachusetts, California gives parents an absolute right to remove their kids and opt-out of teaching on health and family instruction they don’t agree with. The opponents know that California law already covers this and Prop 8 won’t affect it, so they bring up an irrelevant case in Massachusetts.


Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…
Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it’s about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.


Fiction: People can be sued over personal beliefs.
Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.


Fiction: Pepperdine University supports the Yes on 8 campaign.
Fact: The university has publicly disassociated itself from Professor Richard Peterson of Pepperdine University, who is featured in the ad, and has asked to not be identified in the Yes on 8 advertisements.


Fiction: Unless Prop 8 passes, CA parents won’t have the right to object to what their children are taught in school.
Fact: California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.


Regardless of how you feel about the issue, we should not eliminate fundamental rights for ANY Californians. Please vote NO on Prop 8.