Volunteers Needed to Defeat Anti-"Immigrant" Proposition 6 (Los Angeles: attorney, health)

[Benicar]

As usual, pro-illegals refuse to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration; and resort to deception to garner support for their cause. Why would anyone oppose an initiative designed to combat gangs?

For the following weeks leading up the November 4th Election, CHIRLA is calling out to you, and the immigrant community to volunteer for our campaign to mobilize to mobilize the immigrant vote.

WE NEED VOLUNTEERS to join our members on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons to inform voters on Proposition 6 which would:
 Facilitate the detention and deportation of immigrant families throughout the state of California.
 Deny the constitutional right to bail for any immigrant who is detained by local law enforcement…even without being charged for a crime
 Increase collaboration between local law-enforcement and Immigration Officials to record and report the immigration status on anyone that’s assumed to be undocumented
 Try children, as young as 14 years old, as adults and sentenced to adult prisons…even for non-violent crimes.
 Takes away money from services like Healthcare, Education, Rehabilitation, and Prevention Services to build more Prisons and temporary jails.

Volunteers needed to defeat Anti-immigrant Proposition 6 | Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles

Now, the truth. . . .

Proposition 6 is a comprehensive anti-gang and crime reduction measure that will bring more cops and increased safety to our streets and greater efficiency and accountability to public safety programs and agencies that spend taxpayer money.

It creates tougher punishment for gang crimes, drive-by shooting, meth distribution and victim intimidation;
It creates more effective and accountable intervention programs to stop young kids from joining gangs and ruining their lives;
It helps victims who have been intimidated by gang criminals and it funds victim-witness protection programs in our communities;
It prohibits bail to illegal aliens who are charged with violent or gang crimes;
It ensures funding for our local police, sheriff, district attorneys and probation officers – who are the first line of defense in fighting gangs and maintaining peace in our neighborhoods – so that their efforts might be sustained from year to year.

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[1AngryTaxPayer]

I'll wager they won't get many volunteers.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

I'll wager they won't get many volunteers.

I second that..........and, ICE may be watching as it is

[macmeal]

[quote=Benicar;5517837]As usual, pro-illegals refuse to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration; and resort to deception to garner support for their cause. Why would anyone oppose an initiative designed to combat gangs?

My guess? Perhaps they feel some sort of ethnic solidarity with the gang-bangers which supersedes any 'ties' they may feel with the community-at-large. Perhaps the thinking may be "they may be a bunch of crooks and 'bad boys', but they're OUR crooks, and OUR bad boys".

Only a guess, mind you...

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by macmeal

My guess? Perhaps they feel some sort of ethnic solidarity with the gang-bangers which supersedes any 'ties' they may feel with the community-at-large. Perhaps the thinking may be "they may be a bunch of crooks and 'bad boys', but they're OUR crooks, and OUR bad boys".

Only a guess, mind you...

Ah, yes....I keep forgetting about that 'ethnic' thing. Silly me.

[the one]

while i agree with some of what the prop is tryin to do, i will probably vote no on this. the main reason is because it takes too much money from our general fund, which subzidizes healthcare, elderly resources and other vital services that we urban communities need.

this prop does nothign to better educational systems, youth programs or other preventative measures that would stem the flow of youth into gangs. its takes money from doing this.

a recent article in the times showed that villaragozas plan to expand park hours and lighting at certain crime plagued parks has resulted in a decrease in crime in the surrounding neighborhoods. having bright lights, police/explorer presence, and longer rec hours has provided a place for kids to congregate peacefully.
the drop in crime can possibly be associated with other factors, but its interesting that in the areas with parks where the mayor has done this, crime has gone down this past summer.

anyhow, the focus of this prop is a bit misguided. it takes from the people and gives nothing back.
i also am a bit uncertain on the whole 14 y/o adult thing. i think 14 year olds are very impressionable and putting them with adults because of gang affiliation or supposed gang affiliation(its very easy to get caught up in neighborhood politicking by simply being a resident of the hood) is not very smart. we should try to rehabilitate the youth as much as possible. this only criminalizes them and throws these lil pee wees in with the big dogs. not a goodthing at all.

oh and lets not talk about the public housing part of this. so much goin on with this prop.

what i do agree with is the crackdown on GANGS.
and the stiffer crackdown on GANG members who happen to be here illegally.

im with that.

just not this prop.
besides the main guy behind this is henry nichols the 3rd. some monied betty ford resident with other fishy stuff in his closet, or "sex cave".

thansk for the concern guys, but this prop is larger than a narrow minded immigration approach.

as for the whole ethnic thing, you guys could not be any more wrong. my community does not feel solidarity with the gangs. that a silly proclamation. we do fear them and their retaliation, but solidarity with thugs is not a charateristic of my urban communities. where do you guys get that?

as for chirla? they are misguided here. i understand their advocacy for immigrants. even advocacy for illegals.
but advocating for illegal gang members is just silly and undermines their larger mission. they are not taking the right approach here at all.

you know something guys?
the more i type the more ANTI 6 i am.
thanks fellow posters, i wasnt guna think so heavily about the props till the weekend. or till within 1 month of election day. so thanks.

ima get the word out now

NO ON 6!!!!

1 last thing, shouldnt this be in the CALI thread, or politics, or somewhere else? we would definitely get a more varied, educated response then.

[zacatecana]

It has nothing to do with solidarity toward ethnicity. People who are here undocumented will not get involved politically on anything. They will let those that are legal do all the advocacy for them. These people are afraid of standing out and voicing their opinion for fear of being deported.

I have read what is included in the proposal and some of it is ridiculous. I dont care if someone is legal or illegal, why would we try a child that is illegal, different than one who is legal. Specially when the child did not commit a violent crime. Most of the time, these children do not know of any other home but the U.S. They dont know any different.

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by the one

while i agree with some of what the prop is tryin to do, i will probably vote no on this. the main reason is because it takes too much money from our general fund, which subzidizes healthcare, elderly resources and other vital services that we urban communities need.

this prop does nothign to better educational systems, youth programs or other preventative measures that would stem the flow of youth into gangs. its takes money from doing this.

a recent article in the times showed that villaragozas plan to expand park hours and lighting at certain crime plagued parks has resulted in a decrease in crime in the surrounding neighborhoods. having bright lights, police/explorer presence, and longer rec hours has provided a place for kids to congregate peacefully.
the drop in crime can possibly be associated with other factors, but its interesting that in the areas with parks where the mayor has done this, crime has gone down this past summer.

anyhow, the focus of this prop is a bit misguided. it takes from the people and gives nothing back.
i also am a bit uncertain on the whole 14 y/o adult thing. i think 14 year olds are very impressionable and putting them with adults because of gang affiliation or supposed gang affiliation(its very easy to get caught up in neighborhood politicking by simply being a resident of the hood) is not very smart. we should try to rehabilitate the youth as much as possible. this only criminalizes them and throws these lil pee wees in with the big dogs. not a goodthing at all.

oh and lets not talk about the public housing part of this. so much goin on with this prop.

what i do agree with is the crackdown on GANGS.
and the stiffer crackdown on GANG members who happen to be here illegally.

im with that.

just not this prop.
besides the main guy behind this is henry nichols the 3rd. some monied betty ford resident with other fishy stuff in his closet, or "sex cave".

thansk for the concern guys, but this prop is larger than a narrow minded immigration approach.

as for the whole ethnic thing, you guys could not be any more wrong. my community does not feel solidarity with the gangs. that a silly proclamation. we do fear them and their retaliation, but solidarity with thugs is not a charateristic of my urban communities. where do you guys get that?

as for chirla? they are misguided here. i understand their advocacy for immigrants. even advocacy for illegals.
but advocating for illegal gang members is just silly and undermines their larger mission. they are not taking the right approach here at all.

you know something guys?
the more i type the more ANTI 6 i am.
thanks fellow posters, i wasnt guna think so heavily about the props till the weekend. or till within 1 month of election day. so thanks.

ima get the word out now

NO ON 6!!!!

1 last thing, shouldnt this be in the CALI thread, or politics, or somewhere else? we would definitely get a more varied, educated response then.

You have stated your pros and cons, and have every right to your opinion. I posted this in the Immigration Forum because the advocacy group opposing this initiative is using “immigrants” as their justification. You’re free to start a thread elsewhere.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by zacatecana

It has nothing to do with solidarity toward ethnicity. People who are here undocumented will not get involved politically on anything. They will let those that are legal do all the advocacy for them. These people are afraid of standing out and voicing their opinion for fear of being deported.

I have read what is included in the proposal and some of it is ridiculous. I dont care if someone is legal or illegal, why would we try a child that is illegal, different than one who is legal. Specially when the child did not commit a violent crime. Most of the time, these children do not know of any other home but the U.S. They dont know any different.

That is the fault of the parents who came to the USA illegally..........

For the record: the Mx Frontera Patrulla treats illegals from Guatemala very badly----------much worse than our 'la migra' AKA Border patrol when one is caught here..

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by zacatecana

It has nothing to do with solidarity toward ethnicity. People who are here undocumented will not get involved politically on anything. They will let those that are legal do all the advocacy for them. These people are afraid of standing out and voicing their opinion for fear of being deported.

I have read what is included in the proposal and some of it is ridiculous. I dont care if someone is legal or illegal, why would we try a child that is illegal, different than one who is legal. Specially when the child did not commit a violent crime. Most of the time, these children do not know of any other home but the U.S. They dont know any different.

If 14-year-olds are big and bad enough to rape and murder, they deserve to share a cell with the big boys. This applies to legal citizens as well as illegal aliens. Youth in that age group are generally not tried as adults unless they commit a heinous crime. I doubt illegals will be treated differently.

If anything, they will be more lenient with them than with legal youth. After all, we tend to have two sets of laws in this country -- one for legal citizens (by the book), and one for illegal aliens (wrist slap).