What the hell is wrong with the No on 8 people?

[the point]

Originally Posted by happ

Why are you so invested in "gay" issues? What motivates your thinking?

Why do you care?

[the point]

Originally Posted by happ

Everything adds up to homophobia. Why don't you share with us your sexual lifestyle so we can make judgments on you? The need to build up your own defenses only contributes to your bigotry. I would be deeply ashamed to force my illogical beliefs on others & why as a Christian I do not impose this sinful selfish response to the needs of others.

Then there is the issue of homosexual panic or flight that mental health professionals can assist you in dealing with your fears. That would really make you a better person esp as it effects others

of seeing a psychiatrist.

[SandyCo]

I can only hope that the majority of voters will defeat this proposition. I agree that with a hetero divorce rate of 50%, homosexual marriages can hardly do worse! Why is such a private matter even an issue? I'm tired of the negative ads trying to pass this measure. Honestly, even if my kids were taught that it's okay to marry someone of the same sex, if I didn't like it then I could talk to them myself and put forth my views as to why I think it's wrong. It's called "communication"! Schools and teachers have never raised children; parents do. That's why society is now in the mess it's in, but that's a whole other topic!

[CMKM-Miller]

Originally Posted by sonarrat

Well, you have no chance of converting me either, seeing how I am gay and in a loving relationship that has lasted 5 years. But I don't see any solid arguments other than "that's the way it has always been done." Things change. As has been stated earlier in the thread, we have most of the legal protection we want. Hospital visitation rights? We've had that since 1999. The joint tax return thing is nice, but if that was all this was about, then we wouldn't be any better than the people who enter into loveless and childless marriages to save a couple thousand bucks a year. It's a matter of basic dignity and respect. The past thirty years have already gone a long way towards dispelling the usual arguments against homosexuality, and legitimizing our lifestyle in the eyes of the public. We want a California that will be progressive and meritocratic. There are plenty of other states where you can enjoy things as they were, if it really pains you that much to see your fellows get more respect.

Not all change is good my friend. I don't see this proposition and the activists judges decision to throw millions of peoples votes out as a matter of basic dignity and respect. I see it as a small segment of the population forcing it's behavior into the mainstream. Is the progressiveness you speak of the same progressiveness which have naked people doing the Bay to Breakers, others dressed in nothing more than leather chaps do vile acts in public with each other, and the list could go on ?

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by the point

3 years ago.

Your sarcasm detectors are broken.

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by CMKM-Miller

Not all change is good my friend. I don't see this proposition and the activists judges decision to throw millions of peoples votes out as a matter of basic dignity and respect. I see it as a small segment of the population forcing it's behavior into the mainstream. Is the progressiveness you speak of the same progressiveness which have naked people doing the Bay to Breakers, others dressed in nothing more than leather chaps do vile acts in public with each other, and the list could go on ?

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You're kidding, right? You do realize that heterosexuals do the same thing... but obviously it's okay because being vile is a homosexual thing, and it doesn't count when straight people do it.


Have you ever met a down to earth homosexual couple just minding their own business, raising children and being productive members of society? I've met plenty and some are close friends. They wish nothing more than to get married and be able to make their family complete. But because of the acts of a small minority of homosexuals they should be denied that right.

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by CMKM-Miller

Not all change is good my friend. I don't see this proposition and the activists judges decision to throw millions of peoples votes out as a matter of basic dignity and respect. I see it as a small segment of the population forcing it's behavior into the mainstream. Is the progressiveness you speak of the same progressiveness which have naked people doing the Bay to Breakers, others dressed in nothing more than leather chaps do vile acts in public with each other, and the list could go on ?

Of course not, those people are breaking laws which are enacted out of common decency. Equating such people with all homosexuals just makes you sound like someone who has never known a gay person in your entire life - or maybe they've just been too afraid to tell you because you would automatically think they were freaks.

[caldje]

Originally Posted by CMKM-Miller

Not all change is good my friend. I don't see this proposition and the activists judges decision to throw millions of peoples votes out as a matter of basic dignity and respect.

The responsibility of the courts is to protect minorities from from public opinion that is deemed intolerant and discriminatory. It was built into the way this country runs by the same fathers of the country you respect for creating this country under God. The same people set it up so that courts have the power to protect those with less numbers, and therefor less voting power.

I see it as a small segment of the population forcing it's behavior into the mainstream. Is the progressiveness you speak of the same progressiveness which have naked people doing the Bay to Breakers, others dressed in nothing more than leather chaps do vile acts in public with each other, and the list could go on ?

I hope you appreciate what marriage means to those of us who cherish the right finally granted to us. The intention of keeping same sex marriage legal is to decrease promiscuity and encourage monogamy. The same intent for heterosexual marriage. A legally bound couple is less likely to participate in these acts you say are common.

The only behavior keeping same sex marriage legal enforces is monogamy, love, and respect. The same behaviors heterosexual marriage enforces.

I just hope others take the time to think long and hard about the arguments for this proposition to strip people of their rights.

While not all people who support it are intolerant and hateful, quite the contrary.. some have respectable religous convictions and at the same time are loving and caring of the people who's rights they are taking away.

The fact is, a large portion simply hate gay people. This should be evident.

[happ]

Clearly those who defend anti-gay measures are the least among us [poorly educated\ insulated & insecure\ driven by reaction rather than reasoning\ rely on primitive religious beliefs]. They are the same kind of people who tried to stop integration in the South & consider Blacks as a lower class of people. The California Supreme court threw out laws prohibiting marriage between a white & black couple in 1949. The very people who now urge anti-gay hatred would have tried to stop that Supreme court decision allowing inter-racial marriage. Not a great group of people, I'm afraid