Proposition 8 Supporters are not all bigots (Biggs: taxation, licenses, eat)

[BRinSM]

Originally Posted by Zapparulez

Man this Prop sure brings out the activists. We'll find out in two short weeks what the voters want. Hopefully it will be to overrule an activist unconstitutional court system.

i'm no activist, i can guarantee you that. i'm just someone who finds it odd that the only people who are in support of this proposition are either religious, have a dislike for gays strictly because of their sexual orientation, or both.

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by phoenix_talons

LovelyinLa, you make a valid, rational, well-thought out and sober points. More than I can say for "that one".

I agree, she did a far better job than I did at explaining the key points. Refer to her. I have realized that a certain member of those of you in disagreement with me are so petty that it is not worth it to debate the issue any longer. When you take the personal attacks off of city-data and take them elsewhere in order to cause me direct personal harm I take offense to that and I draw the line. I will not stoop to this level any longer. I am sorry for crossing your agenda.

Through all that, I was proposing a compromise. Neither a Yes or a No to Prop 8. lol All or nothin with you people....

[Rosalindayu]

Originally Posted by futo555

See your dancing around the point. The school had the trip. I don't care the parents had the option to opt out of the trip.

What next? 12 year old girls will go on a field trip to a strip club to learn about alternative careers options?

Again even it the parents OK it, the school should not be involved in crap like this.

are strip clubs illegal in CA?
is prostitition illegal in CA?
are abortions illegal in CA?

They are all legal. Are schools teaching these?

How do you respect all the other parents how want their kids to see a same sex wedding?

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by Rosalindayu

are strip clubs illegal in CA?
is prostitition illegal in CA?
are abortions illegal in CA?

They are all legal. Are schools teaching these?

How do you respect all the other parents how want their kids to see a same sex wedding?

Sorry but prostitition is not legal in California

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by LovelyinLa

First, we have to agree to disagree on whether or not Marriage is religious. To me, this argument is ridiculous because I am religious and it's what my bible says, so as I said in my first post there is no way to remove Religion from a topic about a Religious ceremony.

Thank you, that is all the further it needs to go right there

Somehow following your beliefs equates to hate? I think not. The bible hasn't changed, people have. There is no reason to call people who still believe the teachings of the bible things like hateful or bigots. We are simply following our faith.

I do know that when people that support gay marriage call me those things it just reinforces my beliefs of the bible, and how I will vote on this.

[Rosalindayu]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Thank you, that is all the further it needs to go right there

Somehow following your beliefs equates to hate? I think not. The bible hasn't changed, people have. There is no reason to call people who still believe the teachings of the bible things like hateful or bigots. We are simply following our faith.

I do know that when people that support gay marriage call me those things it just reinforces my beliefs of the bible, and how I will vote on this.

The bible hasn't changed, are people's interpretaions of the Bible all the same? Don't the interpretaions change over time too?

By the way, people without religious background get married too. To them, marriage has nothing to do with religion.

[rb62]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Thank you, that is all the further it needs to go right there

Somehow following your beliefs equates to hate? I think not. The bible hasn't changed, people have. There is no reason to call people who still believe the teachings of the bible things like hateful or bigots. We are simply following our faith.

I do know that when people that support gay marriage call me those things it just reinforces my beliefs of the bible, and how I will vote on this.

It's pretty convenience when you can rationalize your hate based on a primitive and archaic beliefs isn't it? Do you also believe the world is flat? You know the pope had Galileo tortured because he suggested that it was round, and was not exhonerated until 1980. Do you wear blended fabrics? Eat shellfish? Ever masturbated? What about divorce? Are these people ex-communicated....for life? What about fornicators? Do you believe there are that many people who actually save themselves for marriage? And what about "judging" others, particularly with such vitriole. What about women in the church? You know women aren't suppose to recite scripture nor lead a mass in church. What about racism and slavery? Do you believe in Ham, the black son of Noah being damned for eternity? And unlike all of these things listed, homosexuality is an organic phenomena, it is not a choice and the Catholic church recognizes that.

The draconian dogma antiquated religion provokes is precisely what fuels the growing progressive movement in society; slowly the church is being eroded away. The final step will be to impose a tax on the church, as it should be taxed. In the 21st century people are not going to adhere to such unintelligent notions of old school religion.

[Rosalindayu]

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Sorry but prostitition is not legal in California

What about the other two?

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by BRinSM

i'm no activist, i can guarantee you that. i'm just someone who finds it odd that the only people who are in support of this proposition are either religious, have a dislike for gays strictly because of their sexual orientation, or both.

Yea. I must be both. There is no reason someone should just want their religious freedoms protected. How dare I vote for my freedom.

[Zapparulez]

Originally Posted by Rosalindayu

The bible hasn't changed, are people's interpretaions of the Bible all the same? Don't the interpretaions change over time too?

By the way, people without religious background get married too. To them, marriage has nothing to do with religion.

No. The state's interpretation of the Bible has changed. The people basically still read and believe the same words of the Bible for the past 150 years. Christianity has gone through several revivals and transformations. There was a revival in the 70's, but the last transformation took place in the 1800's. And the last one before that was basically the protestant revolution in the 1600's. Religion is not as progressive as liberals are. Sorry.