The OFFICIAL Proposition 8 Thread: READ HERE FIRST (San Francisco, Oakland: chapel, pharmacist)

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Religion is pretty much the only thing "defining" marriage.

And I don't know if anyone has mentioned this point yet, but marriage has already been redefined over & over throughout history... wasn't it originally more of a business arrangement between families, and weren't women considered the property of their husbands? Guess we need to repeal woman's rights too, since we are going against "traditional marriage" - and definitely going against religious beliefs, most of which put women in a subservient position.

Speaking of which, some religions STILL have a different view of marriage, such as the Hindus. My co-worker is Hindu, and her marriage was arranged... now they were seeking potential husbands for her daughter, when she found an acceptable one on her own. And to quote my co-worker, "if this man isn't acceptable to us and she doesn't find another by her 22nd birthday, we'll find one for her." Those are her religious beliefs and traditions, which I totally respect - especially since she isn't attempting to convert the rest of us, or put arranged marriages into our law. And FYI, she voted no on Prop 8, after she asked me to explain it to her; I explained it quite simply as "yes means gay people can't get married," and she thought it was rather stupid that people would care.

[gizmo980]

Did anyone watch Bill Maher last night? He talked briefly about the proposition, and it was both hilarious and insightful - as he usually is. I loved the one line he said, in regards to state propositions being confusing and misleading (in their wording)... he said it should have just read "F-gs can't marry." Period. No confusion there, LOLOL!!

[FinkieMcGee]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Canada and Sweden.

I wonder if it would ever get to that level here?

I don't think so as the US is not as leftists as those 2 but who knows?

It won't happen in the US because it would be unconstitutional. It's as simple as that.

[~NeonFire~]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

Okay, everyone, there were nine other threads on this hot topic and now no one has anything to say? Let me stir the pot again then.

I'm voting "no" on Proposition 8. Why?

1. It discriminates against gay people.
2. It has nothing to do with schools, and what our children are taught.
3. One of the biggest contributors to the this proposition is the Mormon Church. They already have Utah; why are they butting into California's business?
4. Every consenting adult ought to have the right to marry the partner of their choice.
5. Marriage is not always a religious ceremony. Churches are free to not marry gays and lesbians if they so choose. A marriage can be performed in a county courthouse. What's the religious objection to that?
6. To those who want a compromise, no. I'm not interested in a compromise, because it still treats gays and lesbians as "less than". They are human beings, just like everyone else, and should be allowed to marry. Period.

Thank you; I shall now step down from my soap box.

Couldn't agree more. I'm straight and I don't live in California but I think those who are gay should have equal rights to get married and do whatever else straight people can do.

[AuburnJack]

Originally Posted by CESpeed

I do find it fascinating that a group of people who want people to see things from their pointof view, refuses t othink about anyone else's feelings or point of view. You think that because they don't sgree with you they are wrong and their thoughts and feelings don't warrant considersation. Well, NewsFlash: They feel the exact same way about you.

We have an interesting stand-off. I guess the question is: Who's going to blink first?

I can back my position up with non-religious rationale, objective references, and legal precedent.

Can you?

[AuburnJack]

Originally Posted by FinkieMcGee

It won't happen in the US because it would be unconstitutional. It's as simple as that.

Well, if the Prop 8 supporters taught me anything, it's that if a law is deemed unconstitutional, you change the constitution, not the law.

It's like Civics for Dummies.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by AuburnJack

Well, if the Prop 8 supporters taught me anything, it's that if a law is deemed unconstitutional, you change the constitution, not the law.

It's like Civics for Dummies.

But they voted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111122



Tell that to Al Gore eight years ago, eh?

[budgiemom]

I think the prop 8 ruling will get turned around. A straight person voting for the rights of others.

[sonarrat]

So about that traditional marriage thing.. When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite - Colfax

[lovethetruth]

I find it strange that San Fancisco county had a lower percentage voter turnout than the state average. In fact, there were several counties that voted NO where the turnout percentage was low. You would think San Francisco would have one of the highest rates of turnout in the state. Anyone know why?