The OFFICIAL Proposition 8 Thread: READ HERE FIRST (San Francisco: camps, taxi)

[cardinal2007]

Originally Posted by CESpeed

Since I am a hetrosexual woman, the marriage portion of Propo 8 doesn't affect me regardless of where I live. As for keeping children from being indoctrinated with homosexuality and protecting churches from law suits by Gays, yes I am glad I was able to help do that.

The latter issue you're talking about was not addressed by prop 8. Regardless of the passage or failure of prop 8, no church could not just be sued for refusing to marry anyone that can be married legally. This is fairly obvious if you realized that churches have been rejecting marrying people for many many years now, for various reasons, which may seem arbitrary sometimes to some, but are not to others. Some churches and synagogues refuse to marry interfaith couples, and if they have sued they have lost. No reasonable lawyer would take such a case as a winning verdict would be against the first amendment of the US Constitution. I can see how conservatives don't trust the constitution as it was used to grant many rights to many people, which in many cases has gotten judges labeled as activists, but it is the US Constitution and no lower court will do something unconstitutional. I suppose conservatives are also more easily willing to change the constitution and might think that others are as well, and that they might succeed. But no one here is out to get rid of the first amendment.

Prop 8 only removed the right of same-sex couples to marry, nothing more, nothing less.

[tangodoodles]

Originally Posted by CESpeed

Since I am a hetrosexual woman, the marriage portion of Propo 8 doesn't affect me regardless of where I live. As for keeping children from being indoctrinated with homosexuality and protecting churches from law suits by Gays, yes I am glad I was able to help do that.

Indoctrinated? You must be joking. If anything you'll be forcing children to be indoctrinated by Christianity. I think you do have an issue with homosexuality and I think you believe that sexual orientation is a choice. Whatever though, nothing you have said has changed my mind and nothing I have said has changed your mind. Maybe we should just stop arguing about it because neither of us are getting anywhere.

[CESpeed]

Originally Posted by tangodoodles

Indoctrinated? You must be joking. If anything you'll be forcing children to be indoctrinated by Christianity. I think you do have an issue with homosexuality and I think you believe that sexual orientation is a choice. Whatever though, nothing you have said has changed my mind and nothing I have said has changed your mind. Maybe we should just stop arguing about it because neither of us are getting anywhere.

The only thing children should learn in a classroom is academics, period. Christainity is for Sunday school if that's what the child's parents choose. And yes I believe who one has a relationship with is a choice. I agree that you aren't going to change your position. I, however am open changing my vote because I think that if people want to get married they should be able to. But not at the loss of rights of, or risk of lawsuits of churches or children being taught homosexuality in school.

[akm4]

Originally Posted by CESpeed

The only thing children should learn in a classroom is academics, period. Christainity is for Sunday school if that's what the child's parents choose. And yes I believe who one has a relationship with is a choice. I agree that you aren't going to change your position. I, however am open changing my vote because I think that if people want to get married they should be able to. But not at the loss of rights of, or risk of lawsuits of churches or children being taught homosexuality in school.

There is no point in arguing with this poster. I mean, really. This person is obviously immune to the truth. We can offer information all day long, but that doesn't mean they will accept it.

[akm4]

Oh, and by the way CESpeed- I too am a heterosexual woman (but I know how to spell it!), and this does affect me because the moment we only care about our own narrow rights while disregarding the rights of others, is the moment our great country falls apart.

[CESpeed]

Why is your point of view "the truth"? But I am glad to read a "No on 8" person admit they want the Gays to have rights regardless of the detrement to others.

[akm4]

The truth being that children would not have been taught anything differently, had Prop 8 not been passed. You keep stating otherwise despite numerous attempts to correct you.

Lastly, (and I do mean lastly), I have no clue what you're talking about regarding any detriment (notice the spelling?) to others. I support equal rights of adults to marry. I don't wish to take away anyone's rights. I simply believe they should be the same across the board.

[skreem2]

How ironic that protests are going to lead to even more visibility. Kids who live in rural areas of the central valley, for instance, stand a better chance now of being exposed to the existence of homos than they had before the Mormons and the Knights of Columbus decided to take away marriage rights.

I can picture it - a Jr. high school current events assignment - any current event article is acceptable EXCEPT for anything having to do with prop. 8 or its aftermath.
"But teacher why is that?"
"Sorry Johnny, we can't talk about that subject because you might become indoctrinated."

And the adolescent curiosity rises.

[stock66]

I feel I am stating the obvious here but it is apparent that some don't get it.
The whole indoctrination thing is ridiculous.
My kids have been "exposed" to gays since they were born. Of course they didn't know they were gay back then. They were just couples, friends; adults they looked up to, respected and loved. At some point they realized that both members of the couple were the same sex but it did not change how they felt about them, nor did it "turn" them gay.
They are adults now, hetero and very much opposed to Prop 8. All this insecurity is just crazy!

[TheDragonslayer]

Originally Posted by skreem2

How ironic that protests are going to lead to even more visibility. Kids who live in rural areas of the central valley, for instance, stand a better chance now of being exposed to the existence of homos than they had before the Mormons and the Knights of Columbus decided to take away marriage rights.

I can picture it - a Jr. high school current events assignment - any current event article is acceptable EXCEPT for anything having to do with prop. 8 or its aftermath.
"But teacher why is that?"
"Sorry Johnny, we can't talk about that subject because you might become indoctrinated."

And the adolescent curiosity rises.

That's right, apparently the only safe child is an ignorant one. Just because a child knows what gay is does not mean it will make them choose to be gay. Can anyone on this forum remember a moment in their life when they made the choice to be straight, gay or bisexual? If it is a choice, then at some point we were all bisexual and made the choice one way or the other. Why would it be that only the homosexual population made a choice and straight people just are and did not choose? Can anyone answer that?