11-05-2008, 04:32 PM
Location: yeah
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hanna_house
I hope this experience has taught you just how intolerant the left really is. There is no room for disagreement! They say they are open minded, but again, just reading these vicious attacks on your personal opinion is yet another confirmation of how hateful these people really are.
People tolerate Christianity so long as it tolerates them. The religious right were legislating to impose their morals on people. By your logic, you'd blame someone for resisting a shove. Think about where the conflict starts.
11-05-2008, 04:36 PM
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To all of you who voted "YES" on Proposition 8 because you feel as if marriage is a "sacred" institution (which implies Christian), can you please explain to me why you have no problems with ATHEISTS getting married at the county courthouse? Sounds like you're just being homophobic to me.
I agree, it's so freaking hypocritical.
11-05-2008, 04:40 PM
Location: Grand Rapids
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Yes, I am closed minded and intolerant and so are you! Most of us have a core set of principals and values that we live by and fight to protect. At least I hope there are some things you are willing to stand up for! I am completely intolerant of the right to kill a baby in the womb. I am completely intolerant on an infringement of marriage. I am completely intolerant of muderers and thieves. I am completely intolerant of physical abuse.
This is not about attacking any particular individual, but a set of principals I happen to disagree with. We each have the right to fight for our own causes and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If you really have something compelling to say you will convince people to come over to your side. The thing I love is that people on the Left take part in the battle but cry foul when the other side engages them. Go on and fight for what you believe in but how dare you try to stifle my right to do the same in return!
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sav858
So are you saying you're close minded then? B/c if you aren't open minded then that only leaves one other option.
11-05-2008, 04:42 PM
Location: Grand Rapids
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How is it intolerant? No one is taking away the right for a person of age to be able to get married. They just have to follow guidelines. Are we taking the rights away from 8 year old's on the playground who want to get married too? What makes them have an less of a right? I mean apparently it's ok to get an abortion without parental notification now. Your morals are all subjective and grounded in nothing!
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tangodoodles
I agree, it's so freaking hypocritical.
11-05-2008, 04:44 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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P.S. Sadly, one of my acquaintances will now have to cancel her wedding scheduled for next week... she and her partner have been together for NINETEEN years, so can you honestly tell me they have no bond??
Why should they cancel such a special moment in their lives? Just tell them to do what I'm doing. Vote with their feet. I'm moving to either Connecticut or Massachusetts for primarily this very reason. It will actually be interesting to see in the 2010 and 2020 U.S. Census the number of same-sex couples and LGBT individuals who migrated into those two states so they could live in equality. Perhaps when enough of California's LGBT community moves out, leaving a gaping hole of intellectual capital in its wake, then you'll all wake up to realize the grave mistake you've just made. Love is a very important thing to people. If I'm willing to throw my love of Scranton, PA into the trash can in order to lead a happier emotional life away from racism and homophobia, then that should speak
volumes over this importance.
11-05-2008, 04:44 PM
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How is it intolerant. No one is taking away the right for a person of age to be able to get married. They just have to follow guidelines. Are we taking the rights away from 8 year old's on the playground who want to get married too? What makes them have an less of a right? I mean apparently it's ok to get an abortion without parental notification now. Your morals are all subjective and grounded in nothing!
I didn't say it was intolerant, I said it was hypocritical. But for the record, I also believe that it is intolerant and ignorant to boot. I'm not even going to bother arguing this with you because you have the Almighty on your side, don't you? I think religion is rubbish. Also, morals are relative so...
11-05-2008, 04:46 PM
Location: Grand Rapids
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No kidding? So then why should I have any regard for your beliefs that are grounded in nothingness? Why have any beliefs at all?
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Also, morals are relative so...
11-05-2008, 04:47 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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hanna_house
Yes, I am closed minded and intolerant and so are you! Most of us have a core set of principals and values that we live by and fight to protect. At least I hope there are some things you are willing to stand up for! I am completely intolerant of the right to kill a baby in the womb. I am completely intolerant on an infringement of marriage. I am completely intolerant of muderers and thieves. I am completely intolerant of physical abuse.
How am I intolerant? I believe people should live and let live. I believe in REAL FREEDOM, not psuedo freedom like people on the far right and left. I don't have a problem with you believing marriage is just between a man and a woman and I don't care. But that is not the only view and the govt should be neutral with regards to this and leave religion out of it. Allowing gays to get married doesn't infringe on anything you believe in, it doesn't prevent you from believing marriage is between a man and a woman at all. How the hell do two people you don't know getting married affect you personally? It doesn't unless your mind lets it.
This is what my whole argument is about and it doesn't favor one moral side over the other, it allows both sides to have their view in govt:
My whole argument about this is that this doesn't or shouldn't even involve religion. This is just for govt purposes, which religion should not be a part of period. If a gay couple gets married by the state, you can still say I don't accept that b/c you believe marriage is just between a man and a woman and that is your right and totally fine. BUT you cannot and should not force that view onto everyone else that doesn't share that view. Keep your personal religious beliefs where it belongs, with the person.
By allowing the state to recognize gay people being married they aren't taking away your right to believe only a man and woman together means marriage now are they?? But this law took away someone else right that believe two consenting adults have the right to marry.
We all have different views obviously and govt needs to be as neutral as possible and it was before prop 8, now it has chosen a side and has continued this social/moral warfare.
11-05-2008, 04:48 PM
Location: In the Redwoods
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Also, everyone seems to have conveniently sidestepped the prevalence, likelihood and success rate of same-sex relationships so as to warrant MARRIAGE status.
You also conveniently ignore the 60% (or is it more?) divorce rate amongst straight couples... and did you see where I mentioned the woman who's been with her partner for 19 years? Why should she be punished for the possibility that other gay couples aren't as committed? We don't hold hetero couples to that standard, which is how this becomes an issue of prejudice. Equality doesn't have boundaries or limits - it either is or it is not.
11-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Location: California
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No kidding? So then why should I have any regard for your beliefs that are grounded in nothingness?
My beliefs are not "grounded in nothingness" simply because I don't believe in Christian mythology.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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