Leaving California because of Prop 4 (vs, statistics, gay)
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It might seem a little extreme but why people think that a 12 year old is capable of making a major medical decision is beyond me. My thing is if people feel it's none a parent's business to know about a child getting a major medical procedure and that that child has the maturity and good judgement to make such a decision on her own, then those same people must feel that she is mature enough and has good enough judgement to be emancipated.
My 12 year old couldn't go get her ear pierced, get a tattoo, or get a drivers license. There are sooo many things that can go wrong with an abortion not to mention all of the psychological damage. But hey she can handle it,right? After all, she got pregnant and she can decide her life all on her own.
Yup... if she's old enough to have sex, she is old enough to deal with the consequences. And comparing this to tattoos and piercings is silly, because that's hardly a major life decision - and I doubt many parents would beat or disown their child for getting an earring.
CESpeed, I am a single parent, for all intents and purposes. My ex has been out of the kids' lives for many years. My kids are now 23 and 20 years old, and no, it hasn't happened to them. As for a stranger molesting my daughter, her own father accomplished that feat all on his own, which is why he served five years in prison with my blessing. After that, my daughter was not liable to fall prey to an older guy feeding her a line.
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Originally Posted by CESpeed
What about single parents? Should they stop earning a living so they can watch their child? And because you can't imagine it, you are the very parent it happens to. It could happen to anyone. What about the 13 girl targeted by a 20 something year old man or older? You will never know your child is being molested (legally raped) because you can rest assured he will wisk her to the near clinic. But I'm glad you feel that children should make medical decisions. Maybe we should emancipate them? Since you don't feel they need parents.
I do feel pretty embarrassed now b/c you are right, your first thread does mention teen abortion. So yes I was wrong and I apologize for that, just from what I've seen you talk about before on the LA forum I never saw this topic come up and the fact that there were 2 previous attempts that were both shot down, that is what lead me to make my assertion, but I was wrong in the end.
So if this had passed you would have actually staying in CA despite all of the things you dislike about it?
sav, gotta give you credit for this post. I respect people when they admit a blunder. My apologies if I was rude earlier.
CESpeed, I am a single parent, for all intents and purposes. My ex has been out of the kids' lives for many years. My kids are now 23 and 20 years old, and no, it hasn't happened to them. As for a stranger molesting my daughter, her own father accomplished that feat all on his own, which is why he served five years in prison with my blessing. After that, my daughter was not liable to fall prey to an older guy feeding her a line.
Wow, I'm sorry. Just proves that everyone has a different story and situation, so we can't judge or make decisions for other families... even those that seem "normal" and stable often have skeletons in their closets.
What makes you think a 12-year old is capable of being a mother? You must think that or else you would not care about being consulted on a decision that won't change.
Why is it that you have decided that a 12 yo discussing her pregnancy with her parents means she won't get an abortion? Many parents might actually support her decision. And btw that law would not have given parents the right to tell the child she could not have the abortion. They would have merely been informed that she was getting an abortion. Legally, they could not have stopped her.
And what responsilbe parent doesn't want to know that their child is having a major medical procedure? And have you ever known a woman who has had an abortion? Do you know the psychological trauma that can come with that? If a grown woman needs counselingto deal with the aftermath of an abortion what makes you think 12 to can handle it? Her parents can make sure she has a good doctor and gets the follow-up care needed, both medical and psychologcal. Did you think about that when you decided parents should be parents to their child?
CESpeed, I am a single parent, for all intents and purposes. My ex has been out of the kids' lives for many years. My kids are now 23 and 20 years old, and no, it hasn't happened to them. As for a stranger molesting my daughter, her own father accomplished that feat all on his own, which is why he served five years in prison with my blessing. After that, my daughter was not liable to fall prey to an older guy feeding her a line.
There are many older men who do prey on young girls who are not their relative and they count on laws like the one the State of California to cover up their crime. Just like they can con them into bed, they gladly take them to get an abortion alwaysreminding them that their parents never have to know.
Sandy, I'm glad your daughter is savvy enough to not fall prey to an older man and I am sorry for the circumstances that she learned not to. You didn't let your daughter rapist get away with his crime but you voted to allow other men to do exactly that. How would you have felt if the law allowed your daughter's father to rape her with it's blessing?
[quote=CESpeed;6081171]There are many older men who do prey on young girls who are not their relative and they count on laws like the one the State of California to cover up their crime. Just like they can con them into bed, they gladly take them to get an abortion alwaysreminding them that their parents never have to know. QUOTE]
exactly, If i had a daughter I would sure want to know who got her pregnant.
Yup... if she's old enough to have sex, she is old enough to deal with the consequences. And comparing this to tattoos and piercings is silly, because that's hardly a major life decision - and I doubt many parents would beat or disown their child for getting an earring.
"If she's old enough to have sex, she is old enough to deal with the consequences...". Wow. I don't think that comment even merits a response.
Consider this gizmo, no one likes to be trumped by the majority. It is often unfair to the minority who have a valid argument to their rights as parents and as human beings. Gay people should know all about this. Someone else's political opinions - right or wrong - are infringing on the personal lives of others. To me, this was about what was in the best interest to the vast majority of minor girls who become pregnant and are contemplating abortion. Someone - a family member, a parent - should know what's happening to these girls but you seem to be saying it's no one's business and that a 12 year old should "deal with the consequences" alone? Okay then. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
There are many older men who do prey on young girls who are not their relative and they count on laws like the one the State of California to cover up their crime. Just like they can con them into bed, they gladly take them to get an abortion alwaysreminding them that their parents never have to know.
Do you have a report or any statistics to back up this claim?
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My apologies if I was rude earlier.
Just proves that everyone has a different story and situation, so we can't judge or make decisions for other families... even those that seem "normal" and stable often have skeletons in their closets.
