Is over-population the cause of California's woes? (hotels, find a job)

[Curmudgeon]

It doesn't help!

[Nomadicus]

Originally Posted by mateo45

Yeah, it was eventually struck down by the Supreme Court.

Good.

[the city]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

While I see where you're going with this, the problem of overpopulation is or still will be a problem. Let's say we give those who want single family suburban home what they want. As population continues to increase, we will just build more and more of them and spread farther and farther out. At some point, available space will be used up and you will end up with a huge sprawling mess. That's what LA's problem truly is. It went down this road and now has the worst of both; spread out residential and suburban types areas and too many people. It seems to make more sense to curb this tide early.

Now as far as your illegal immigrant status is concerned. I agree, yes I'm a liberal and agree that illegal immigration is out of control. It needs to be managed. But let me add that targeting the illegal (undocumented) people themselves is not the way to do it. Targeting employers is. I don't mean to turn this into another immigrant thread, however I felt I should explain my remarks.

Well, you don't have to agree on my viewpoint on overpopulation. Cities are capped by water. We need to expand on cities that haven't reached their cap for population and water. New cities where water is available and developing more mix-used developments is where we need to grow. Also, we are not going to run out of land anytime soon. National borns are having less kids than we had in the baby boomer generation. Also, get rid of some illegal immigrants and pushing Latin America's problem to Latin America will open up housing.

Obviously we can't get rid of all of the illegal immigrants here, but we can try. I agree we need to push on employers, but we also need to push on the illegal immigrants here.

[Nomadicus]

Originally Posted by the city

Well, you don't have to agree on my viewpoint on overpopulation. Cities are capped by water. We need to expand on cities that haven't reached their cap for population and water. New cities where water is available and developing more mix-used developments is where we need to grow. Also, we are not going to run out of land anytime soon. National borns are having less kids than we had in the baby boomer generation. Also, get rid of some illegal immigrants and pushing Latin America's problem to Latin America will open up housing.

Obviously we can't get rid of all of the illegal immigrants here, but we can try. I agree we need to push on employers, but we also need to push on the illegal immigrants here.

You are right about the water. Take that away and all will be left is a ghost town. Not only CA but all states with population problems need to fight the problem on all fronts not just one.

[sunshinebright]

Wow guys, I'm new here and I have to say that this post is very informative! A lot of this stuff got me thinking.

[Gentoo]

New cities where water is available and developing more mix-used developments is where we need to grow

But what happens when the new expanding city reaches it's cap for water and other resources?

Also, we are not going to run out of land anytime soon

Just because we may not run out soon doesn't mean we shouldn't start being concerned now. Also, explain "soon".

National borns are having less kids than we had in the baby boomer generation.

This is a good thing IMO because if the population were to level off, it would put less strain on resources and people could actually keep the quality of life they currently have.

Obviously we can't get rid of all of the illegal immigrants here, but we can try. I agree we need to push on employers, but we also need to push on the illegal immigrants here.

It's difficult to push on the actual immigrants without violating our own constitution and bill of rights on the way we treat people. If we do then we're no better than the other countries we claim to be superior to.

[Huckleberry3911948]

no jobs or low paid jobs w/o benefits. we are all living on credit here, the balloon will pop soon. people fresh out of college, no work, where's the beef?
20 million mexican people w/o papers waiting to snap up any jobs.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

no jobs or low paid jobs w/o benefits. we are all living on credit here, the balloon will pop soon. people fresh out of college, no work, where's the beef?
20 million mexican people w/o papers waiting to snap up any jobs.

Gee, I didn't realize how many "college-educated" mez-cans were coming here to "snap up any jobs"!!

Then maybe we can find a few who'll work for alot less than our current CEO's....

[OC Investor2]

Originally Posted by mateo45

BTW, this isn't the first time we've had hordes of unskilled, uneducated, immigrant workers and their often large families, arrive here and "using up our funds". They were called "Oakies", and it was enough of a "problem" then, that they passed the "Anti-Oakie" law in 1937, making it a crime to bring any non-resident "indigent person" into the state. And ironically, alot of the loudest complaints today about "illegals", often come from the descendants of these very same Oakies & their kin.

Nice rhetorical trick, but apples do not equal oranges.

Migration across state borders by national citizens is not equivilant to migration across international borders by foreign nationals.

Also, an unskilled worker in industrial age 1937 was alot more employable then an unskilled worker in information age 2010.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by OC Investor2

Nice rhetorical trick, but apples do not equal oranges.

Migration across state borders by national citizens is not equivilant to migration across international borders by foreign nationals.

Also, an unskilled worker in industrial age 1937 was alot more employable then an unskilled worker in information age 2010.

Then why did they pass the "anti-Oakie" law?

And what's the difference, especially when we end up paying for them all, one way or another?