For Those Thinking of Leaving, Where are You Looking to Go? (Temecula: for rent, job market)

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by Humanoid

I'm sorry but this is nonsense. Travis county voted 64% to 35% in favor for Obama. In the actual city of Austin the vast majority voted for Obama. There are numerous areas of California that are more conservative, such as Orange and San Diego counties.

You obviously have never lived in Texas. I don't care how many Travis county residents voted for Obama and I don't care if it's Austin ... it's still Texas.

That 35 percent who voted for McCain are going to be the most hard core religious right wingers you'll ever meet. The kind of people you heard yelling during McCain rallies threatening to kill Obama.

It's still Texas, the most conservative state in the union.

[joebaldknobber]

Originally Posted by sanchopanzo

Bentonville, Arkansas. Just got a job in Bentonville & start in January. I can't wait.

NW Arkansas is great. I lot of younger people are moving into the Bentonville area with all the job creation.

Check out Fayetteville, Ark. This is a great college town (Univ. of Arkansas) 15 minutes south of Bentonville in the hills of the Ozark Mountains.

Fayetteville feels like Austin, TX did 30 years ago. Austin is beginning to feel like Dallas.

[memorytheatre]

Your attitude will keep you in high cost areas to live. There is a reason that places that have a "mature" level of culture and corresponding attitudes are expensive. It is because they are cities where there have been lots of people living for a pretty long time. That means the northeast and mid-atlantic on the east coast and the California coast and Portland and Seattle on the west coast. Areas with more affordable cost-of-living are places that have had fewer people for less time and housing prices reflect that. But along with cheap housing comes new growth, sprawl, strip malls, conservative attitudes, less than perfect weather etc.

There are a couple of cities - Pittsburgh and Chicago which have been inhabited for a decent amount of time and are affordable. Some of the older Northeast rustbelt cities are getting cheap to live but have no jobs. America's growing areas are places where it is warm and there is room to build which means cheaper housing. These places are in the bible belt and southwest. The jobs flow there because most of these states are right-to-work (no unions) and have deregulatory rules and incentives. This means much lower salaries (especially for teachers), sprawl and republican attitudes.

If the place existed that everyone is looking for ie. a San Francisco Bay area with Omaha prices then everyone would move there and drive prices up. It is all about knowing yourself and what you need to be happy. Owning a $200,000 3 bedroom house might look great when you're living in a $1500/month studio, but the variables that make that place so affordable might make YOU miserable. Or not.

[Perkins Well]

Originally Posted by sheri257

You obviously have never lived in Texas. I don't care how many Travis county residents voted for Obama and I don't care if it's Austin ... it's still Texas.

That 35 percent who voted for McCain are going to be the most hard core religious right wingers you'll ever meet. The kind of people you heard yelling during McCain rallies threatening to kill Obama.

It's still Texas, the most conservative state in the union.

Not anymore. That would have to go to either Utah or Oklahoma. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas is a toss-up state in the 2016 general election.

[Humanoid]

Originally Posted by sheri257

You obviously have never lived in Texas. I don't care how many Travis county residents voted for Obama and I don't care if it's Austin ... it's still Texas.

Okay the facts don't matter....just your view of Texas matters. I got it.

Originally Posted by sheri257

That 35 percent who voted for McCain are going to be the most hard core religious right wingers you'll ever meet. The kind of people you heard yelling during McCain rallies threatening to kill Obama.

You don't say? Did you go over there and speak with them? Or is that what you heard in the San Fransisco Chronicle?

Originally Posted by sheri257

It's still Texas, the most conservative state in the union.

Oh yes, its Texas. But since when is it the most conservative state in the union? Sorta odd that the "most conservative state in the union" has had 39 Democratic governors.

[Humanoid]

Originally Posted by memorytheatre

Your attitude will keep you in high cost areas to live. There is a reason that places that have a "mature" level of culture and corresponding attitudes are expensive. It is because they are cities where there have been lots of people living for a pretty long time.

Oh I agree there is a reason that these places are more expensive. But it has little to do with the "level of culture" etc, nor how long people have been living there. Last time I checked Texas is just as old as California (actually, it grew first..), so having "lots of people living for a pretty long time" isn't the issue either.

Of course supply and demand is going to effect the cost of a region. But the cost of living relative to local incomes should be fairly similar across the country, when its not its almost always due to government policy. California isn't expensive because its "level of culture" (sorta, funny suggesting that California has a mature "level of culture", btw) its expensive because the government has implemented a variety of policies that have inflated the costs in the state. Some of these policies were created by Republicans, but mostly the liberal elements in the state.

But these sort of things have consequences. From being one of the most expensive places to do business, to your kids not being able to stay in the area because the costs are too high.

[Scott5280]

Humanoid, You dismissed me as crazy as to the Aspen VS.So Cal. debate, which prices are highest----and you said that Pitkin County was not Colorado money, and that it wasn't a county representative of Colorado as a whole---You also laughed at the fact that Aspen retains Manhattan prices.....Highest psf...I stated in So. CAL, not
Northern--Highest psf... So CAL is $2935 psf.. Highest Aspen is $4124 psf... The highest priced property in Aspen in last six months is one hundred and ten million dollars---Highest priced So. Cal Sold $78 million Newport Beach..(sold)look
at data before claiming that Newport Beach is not the highest priced real estate in SO. Cal---
it's even in the Forbes highest real estate..
You were right that over all as zip codes California was higher than any Colorado ZIP...
I have been looking at the highest priced psf..
properties in So Cal.... Sorry they are not in the ball park in that respect...Even down valley of the resorts are higher than LA, or OC.... I never
claimed Aspen was higher than Nothern Cali--
but hands down So. Cal... There are other areas here in Colorado that will not be more, but every
bit as expensive---They are locals---year round residents by the way, not investors--- Aspen Valley---Telluride, Crested Butte buyers are people who actually live here---Down Valley towns now command as mush as prime OC..
or LA....These are people sick of pollution, crime
and urban decay...Colorado is one of the new
choices for the wealthy---my parents have left
a very wealthy part of Newport Coast to escape
the wave of problems ( infrastructure and taxes
like you have described)... I have watched California slowly sink into third world country status----The once Golden State is now something of lore.......It's too bad ---I love California--but it's about to implode...You are actually telling people the truth about Cali--Local
municipalities expected too much growth and industry, not unlike Colorado Springs in the 90's.
If things continue---mass talented, skilled populace leaves= already high tax base for everyone left....This will break the backs of many...I do not hate California nor do I wish it
ill-will, but it isn't remotely the place I once loved. Fiscally it will be a miracle for the state to endure.....Go back to Penn.; weather not as good--but better standard of living for sure....

[Scott5280]

humanoid ,Jackson Hole Wyoming is also generally higher than anywhere in SO. CAL,
AS WELL ---I understand that Bay area is higher...Call Sothebys International...they
have the latest stats....The high--end Colorado market is higher psf... than anywhere
in So. Cal... the reason being is limited development....This goes for old outdated properties as well... Places like Breckenridge
and Vail are now becoming year round residences---not just a place to visit...

[Scott5280]

hUMANOID, Actually you were right when you said that the highest psf. property was
hig$her in SO. Cal there were two $5000 psf. props sold in Laguna Beach... in2007 ...You brought up Malibu , my ex-lives there high end is $2200 psf....I assumed that it would be highest as well,,,That is lower than Aspen...highest sekk recently was
fourty one miilion........

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by Humanoid

Oh yes, its Texas. But since when is it the most conservative state in the union? Sorta odd that the "most conservative state in the union" has had 39 Democratic governors.

So what ... California's had Republican governors also. It doesn't really mean anything and it certainly doesn't keep you from complaining about California's liberal politics.

Hell ... we've got a Republican governor now but ... it's still a liberal state, as you're fond of pointing out.

I lived in Texas when it had a lot of Democrats in power and those were very conservative Democrats ... certainly not of the liberal California variety.