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Old 01-07-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Central Coast
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But when you look at Hispanics as a group, they don't perform as well in school and they do commit more crime. It's just reality.
It has nothing to do with their being hispanic. If we brought a bunch of nearly illiterate desperately poor Scottish peasants over to work in our fields, we would have the same problem.

I have no problem identifying crime committers and poor students, but to paint an entire nationality is wrong, but entirely American, exactly the same things said about Mexicans was said about Greeks, Jews, and Italians at the end of the 19th century, they were not even considered as white people.

The exact same thing was said about the Japanese and Chinese throughout the first half of the last century, I can dig up some quotes for you when my chores are done.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We're justing pointing out the reality. SM is 75% mexican, not scottish.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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No, you are blanket labeling an entire nationality as stupid and criminal. Don't get upset by that, you aren't the first person and they aren't the first immigrant group to be victims of anglo racism.

Here, a couple of quotes for you;
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The scum of creation has been dumped on us, The most dangerous and corrupting hordes of the old world have invaded us.
Thomas Watson talking about Italians, Greeks, and Jews.

Here, Francis Walker, President of MIT called Italians and Greeks,
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beaten men from beaten races, representing the worst failures in the struggles for existence
Here, during a Congressional hearing a building contractor told the Congressmen that his Italian workers were not white men. "No, sir, an Italian is a da go

Here is a local Central Coast historian's words, "Both Rev. and.... Dr. Paulding are of the old Colonial American stock ( she uses the term as a euphemism for white Anglo) ..... who will not allow the laws and ways of our forefathers to be thrown into discard by a bunch of mostly foreign born..."

Along the way she disparages the Japanese as dirty, as living 10 to 20 to a house, to being ignorant.

So, you are in good historical company.

Now, you parsed my words in order to attempt to deny the analogy, but, if you took the group I pointed out, peasants, Scottish, or French, or British, or Mexican, the analogy works.

The Mexicans we get in this country are largely Campesinos, that is, peasants, they don't make in their own country, so the come to the land of opportunity, just like your forefathers.

Few left good farms in Europe to immigrate to America, America was settled largely by the European version of our Mexican neighbors, the peasants who were not making it in the old country.

Chances are, your forefathers, when they got here, were not considered highly, much was said about the European immigrants, indentical to what is said about the Mexicans.

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Old 02-24-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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If you're going to move to the central coast, don't move to Santa Maria. I live in LA but grew up in Santa Maria (not Orcutt) and I can tell you that it is definitely not a place you want to raise kids. Although the homicide rate is almost completely gang-affiliated, the crime element is everywhere.

There is a city here in the LA area that has a very, very bad reputation for violent crimes. When you look at the city stats, however, they appear only slightly above the national average. Statistics mean nothing. Move to Orcutt if you have to be near Santa Maria, but I personally would stay away from Lompoc, Guadalupe, Oceano, Grover Beach and ESPECIALLY Santa Maria.
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