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Old 02-12-2009, 12:07 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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Whitman supports bigotry [ie voted yes on Prop 8 & boldly admits it]. That one issue will drain Whitman of any energy left to convince Californian's to vote for a Republican. I don't think one can underestimate the degree of antipathy for Republicans in California. Whitman also says that Governor Wilson is her mentor\hero. Can you image how Latinos will react? Take a look at Whitman : GOP gubernatorial candidate Whitman outlines stands - Los Angeles Times. There is no way Whitman could win in California!

majoun
I agree that Feinstein would be better off in the senate than as governor but if she wants it then she'll be governor unless another Democrat will challenge her. I have emailed Feinstein over my outrage on some of her positions & find her cozy relationship to corporations very unnerving. Barbara Boxer is a good senator though & would be a good governor. Jerry Brown will probably be our next governor & that's OK also.

When people suggest that California is a moderate state it can not be compared to other "moderate" states like Ohio or Pennsylvania. California operates between left of center to liberal. It is not a surprise that our 2 senators & the speaker of the House are San Francisco liberals.

When California passed Prop 8 it was because Democrats also voted for it but didn't support it with money out of fear be being discovered. Some Republicans misinterpret homophobia as wide support for their other positions. When Republicans attempt to influence the state they lose [ie. all of Schwarzenegger's propositions voted down by voters in his first year as governor. That's when Arnold became a RINO. But it doesn't matter anyway since the entire state is going into bankruptcy & despair
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Southern California Mountains
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But it doesn't matter anyway since the entire state is going into bankruptcy & despair
Thank you Democrat Legislature, whose collective kahunas are owned by the unions.
BTW, at this very moment, these same wonderful legislators are voting to double the car tax (in my case - 2005 Dodge 2500 4x4 - $450/year increased to just about $800/year for that pretty little sticker), add 12 cents to every gallon of gas, increase sales tax and personal income tax. Too bad for those who have lost their jobs and homes. Time to pony up for government!
Yes, the entire state is going into bankruptcy and despair...

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Old 02-12-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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[quote=happ;7432075]Whitman supports bigotry [ie voted yes on Prop 8 & boldly admits it].

That for sure seals my vote, along with a majority of the state that agree with Prop 8.
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Thank you Democrat Legislature, whose collective kahunas are owned by the unions.

And the enviromentalists
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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And the enviromentalists
And people who shouldn't be here but still collect tax benefits. Can't say who they are on this site though.
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Denver
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And people who shouldn't be here but still collect tax benefits. Can't say who they are on this site though.
Mexicans? It never stopped you in the past. Maybe you just say it too much?
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Thank you Democrat Legislature, whose collective kahunas are owned by the unions
Does your hatred for unions include the California Correctional Peace Officers' Union, who helped get Deukmejian and Wilson elected as governor (as well as Gray Davis) and who have massive influence on BOTH parties?

If there was no two thirds rule for passing budgets, then CA wouldn't be constantly lurching from financial crisis to financial crisis. Other states don't have two thirds rules (although 55% rules are common) - why does CA need to do things different?
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Whitman supports bigotry [ie voted yes on Prop 8 & boldly admits it]. That one issue will drain Whitman of any energy left to convince Californian's to vote for a Republican.
This will only attract people who would be likely to vote for her anyways in a GOP primary, as she's more conservative than Arnold's chosen heir Poizner (who's a moderate like Arnold) or libertarian Tom Campbell. The same goes for Whitman's support of (and close friendship with) Mitt Romney. (Don't know who Poizner or Campbell supported for president - my guess is that Poizner was probably originally a Rudy supporter who then embraced McCain like the other Rudy supporters, Arnold included, and that Campbell supported Paul).

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I don't think one can underestimate the degree of antipathy for Republicans in California.
Other than the moderates and libertarians, who are less represented in the Legislature than the conservatives due to gerrymandering of districts (glad that's going to end - the end of the Legislature's power to draw up incumbent-friendly districts might benefit CA in the future)

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Whitman also says that Governor Wilson is her mentor\hero. Can you image how Latinos will react? Take a look at Whitman : GOP gubernatorial candidate Whitman outlines stands - Los Angeles Times. There is no way Whitman could win in California!
Agreed. Any Republican needs Dem votes to win a statewide election in CA and I don't see Whitman getting those votes except in the unlikely case of Villaraigosa getting the nomination. (CA political history shows that Northern Californians will not vote for L.A. mayors - not just Bradley's runs for governor, but Yorty and Riordan running in gubernatorial primaries. Bradley did come closer than he and his own staff expected in '82, though. )

majoun
I agree that Feinstein would be better off in the senate than as governor but if she wants it then she'll be governor unless another Democrat will challenge her. I have emailed Feinstein over my outrage on some of her positions & find her cozy relationship to corporations very unnerving. Barbara Boxer is a good senator though & would be a good governor. Jerry Brown will probably be our next governor & that's OK also.

When people suggest that California is a moderate state it can not be compared to other "moderate" states like Ohio or Pennsylvania. [/quote]

Not at all. Although Ohio has some rather interesting political demographics by region. PA is much more uniform except for the Philly Metro area (half of which is in NJ)

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California operates between left of center to liberal. It is not a surprise that our 2 senators & the speaker of the House are San Francisco liberals.
Technically speaking, we have a Speaker and one Senator who are liberals from SF, and the governor and other Senator are moderates. Calling DiFi a "liberal" is a stretch as I pointed out - the Almanac of American Politics pointed out that Feinstein represents the tradition of the California GOP better than most Republicans other than the Schwarzenegger crowd (suggesting the inapplicability of the term "RINO" in CA) and her being a Dem (as well as the rest of the SF establishment these days) reflects how the California Republican Party by moving to the right abandoned its heritage.

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When California passed Prop 8 it was because Democrats also voted for it but didn't support it with money out of fear be being discovered. Some Republicans misinterpret homophobia as wide support for their other positions.
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When Republicans attempt to influence the state they lose [ie. all of Schwarzenegger's propositions voted down by voters in his first year as governor. That's when Arnold became a RINO.
He wouldn't have been elected without Dem support in the first place. For example, would Santa Monica have gone for any other Republican? (Admittedly there's the factor of Arnold being a local there, but if he'd run as a conservative he would never have gotten those votes). The propositions in his first year were suggested to Arnold by Pete Wilson, who at the time was advising Arnold. After their defeat Arnold fired Wilson who went back to private law practice afterwards.

But it doesn't matter anyway since the entire state is going into bankruptcy & despair [/quote]
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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People who criticize unions are nuts Only the wealthy bankers\ international corporations\ Republicans despise regular Americans of making a decent living! Unless people on this forum are very wealthy, otherwise we all should strive for union job protection & salary negotiation. Nurses do quite well in California.

It always amazes me that so many Republicans actually vote against their own well-being
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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People who criticize unions are nuts Only the wealthy bankers\ international corporations\ Republicans despise regular Americans of making a decent living! Unless people on this forum are very wealthy, otherwise we all should strive for union job protection & salary negotiation. Nurses do quite well in California.

It always amazes me that so many Republicans actually vote against their own well-being
It's necessarily the idea of unions are bad, its when they get too much power, become corrupt, and only see things from their side and demand too much to the point of causing businesses to lose their competitiveness, such as the Big 3 automakers. Just look at how much unions screwed them. Or in the case of public unions, just look how much benefits they demand that the private sector does not get or gets for a much lower cost. They inflate govt budgets and help cause budget deficits and lead to tax increases b/c they are wasteful, overly bureaucratic, and only look out for themselves.

Just look at the Prison's Guards Union, that is the most wasteful, corrupt union in CA and if you don't play by their rules they'll make sure you're not reelected or will even try to recall you. They sleep at the prison and collect overtime for it! Yeah it makes a lot of sense for some GED High school drop out to start at $70k a year while a college grad with a BA/BS has to start at $40k or less a year.

Some unions are good but others have become absolutely corrupted with power. You really need to stop labeling people and their views as so black and white all the time b/c its not that simple but you always try to make it out to be like its republicans vs the world or something.
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