Is the state of California A Great Place to Visit, but Terrible Place to Live? (Santa Ana: living, pool)

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Let's start by saying Abilene isn't not Dallas,

No- but it is in Texas and that is what we were talking about. Actually we were talking about narrow minded people, and Abilene fits that bill according to our friend. Considering we have the same opinon on a lot of things I can believe her.

You spent 3 months in Texas and are a judge of the state?? wow

Not the state, the main cities i spent time in, I got a great feel spending a summer there of what the area was all about.
It is really not that interesting to need to spend any longer there. I have friends who agree who were born and raised there, they feel it is somewhat narrow minded and they hate the politics of their state. But family keeps there close. This was Southern Texas.

well let's see, where have we lived? I was raised in So Ca, spent my first 2 years in College at Boulder and finished at SDSU where I met my husband. We lived all over Ca, from San Diego to the bay area and eventually we lived in Eureka for awhile.

Socal like Bakersfield? Or Socal like West Hollywood, big differences obviously.
As well as Eureka is nothing like San Diego or the Bay.

Then we spent 7 years in Wash DC when my husband was lucky enough to be a political appointee, working in the executive offices across from the White House..

And i would assume DC isn't narrow minded, I wouldn't have a problem living there except the weather sucks the big one.

Eventually, we ended up in the Dallas area for 13 years, then spent 7 years in Albuquerque..

Funny I have relocated family in Albuquerque as well. They are not as bad as Texas.

So far you have not named on state or city aside from Texas (from experience) that I was considering relocating too that i would call narrow minded. Congrats.

[JW50]

I wasnt trying to say there are not any really nice people in Texas, but in my experience, after living here for 3yrs now, they are a little backwards. To me they are not real excepting of those that are different. My husbands family is from Texas and they have very different views on whats right and whats wrong and its a little behind the times.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Taboo2

No- but it is in Texas and that is what we were talking about. Actually we were talking about narrow minded people, and Abilene fits that bill according to our friend. Considering we have the same opinon on a lot of things I can believe her.


Not the state, the main cities i spent time in, I got a great feel spending a summer there of what the area was all about.
It is really not that interesting to need to spend any longer there. I have friends who agree who were born and raised there, they feel it is somewhat narrow minded and they hate the politics of their state. But family keeps there close. This was Southern Texas.



Socal like Bakersfield? Or Socal like West Hollywood, big differences obviously.
As well as Eureka is nothing like San Diego or the Bay.



And i would assume DC isn't narrow minded, I wouldn't have a problem living there except the weather sucks the big one.



Funny I have relocated family in Albuquerque as well. They are not as bad as Texas.

So far you have not named on state or city aside from Texas (from experience) that I was considering relocating too that i would call narrow minded. Congrats.

Southen Ca like Los Angeles, where I was raised, later living in the SGV after living in So Los Angeles, not too far from Watts I may add. Our first child was born in Inglewood, the next in Hawthorne..the most time I have spent in Bakersfield, probably 20 minutes, stopping to get gas and maybe use the potty..This was when we would drive from So, Ca to the bay area and back (before highway 5 days)

And, by the way, your original comments were in regards to backward people living in Houston and DAllas, which obviously you know nothing about.

Now, you are talking about place you might re-locate to, or as you put it, too, whatever...

I will add one more thing and then I think I have said about all I can about this: I respect peoples views, everyone has opinions, that is fine, but opinions are not fact and generally lack substance. I think debate is healthy, what I have trouble with is people making comments when they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about and then bend the subject or change it altogether.

Your comments about Houston and Dallas were so off base, then you admit you didn't really live in either place. That would be like my saying, I hate or love TN because I once spent some time there and have a friend who lives there..Or Texas is the worst place in the world with rude people cause once I drove interstate 35 and someone cut me off.

Don't you think that would be a pretty narrow minded statement, with nothing to back it up except what someone may have said..

Nita

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by JW50

I wasnt trying to say there are not any really nice people in Texas, but in my experience, after living here for 3yrs now, they are a little backwards. To me they are not real excepting of those that are different. My husbands family is from Texas and they have very different views on whats right and whats wrong and its a little behind the times.

now you are giving an opinion, that is different, I will ask you, where in Texas do you live and where did you live in Ca? My next question is: where in Tx does your husbands family live? There are places in Tx as well as every other state in the union that may be behind the times. Again, it depends on what you use to judge "behind the times?"

My experience has been, certainly Austin, Dallas and Houston are far from behind the times, if you go west or north toward OK, the smaller towns might be considered pretty rural or travel east to Tyler for example.

I don't want you to think I am attacking you, as you said this has been your experience and that is different from making blanket statements.

Nita

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by nmnita

And, by the way, your original comments were in regards to backward people living in Houston and Dallas, which obviously you know nothing about.

Hmm well, Houston is where i spent the summer with ROAD TRIPS to Dallas and Austin. So i saw A LOT of Texas- the Real Texas. All Cities are usually pretty diverse with transplants in general, you find the real people in the burbs and rural areas of any state.

Dallas- I would prefer not to live there, even though i have a lovely friend who i get along with great in Deep Ellum, I would have to live in that particular part of town to survive there. Again, small pockets of reasonable people i would get along with.

Houston was spent in The Woodlands so I got a good idea of what the local yokels were up too. Suburbs and all.

Austin- love SXSW, love the Marriott, just like any other College town it has people who are not really from Austin stirring it up.

These were MY experiences and your not agreeing with them means nothing to me. Just like i am assuming MINE means nothing to you.

I will add one more thing and then I think I have said about all I can about this: I respect peoples views,

That is a lie, you clearly do not respect MY point of view because it differs with yours. And i am sure you will not be able to resist replying about the subject of Texas.

Your comments about Houston and Dallas were so off base, then you admit you didn't really live in either place.

Admit i didn't live there? I said I spent time there. I never said I did, that was Your problem assuming i did. Funny we all know what assuming makes out of you.

Point being, much much of Texas is backwards and I would not want to live there anymore than I would want to live in much of the Southern US.

[shannonM]

Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes

I've posted it so many times, but in a nutshell - TRAFFIC, weather, missed family and friends, missed California "stuff" - oh, and did I mention the TRAFFIC???

LOL traffic wasn't a problem was it? well, I'm glad you're happy to be back and doing good i know what you mean about CA "stuff"

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by shannonM

LOL traffic wasn't a problem was it? well, I'm glad you're happy to be back and doing good i know what you mean about CA "stuff"

As a CA native who grew up in LA county and drove a lot I grew to know and hate traffic. Who loves traffic jams on the 405 or 10 anayway?

So here are the best long term solutions I have found:

1. Live as close to work as you can thus avoiding the daily 405, 110, 5, 605, etc... grind.
2. Move to the less crowded areas.

I have done both of these quite effectively but prefer the second. Now living in Monterey I experience less 'traffic' on a daily basis that what I dealt with living in Colorado Spring which is very tame by SoCal standards.

The thing is ppl tend to lump 'all' CA into the same generalization as LA, SD or SF when considering things like smog or traffic. But there are 'many' more parts of the state which I think are nicer and the majority of ppl won't even bother to visit let alone consider moving to. Bottom line: LA != CA. Rather it is simply a large city within a much larger state with many less crowded towns, roads, etc...

So why not consider the road less traveled before moving all the way across country?

Derek

[californialove24]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

As a CA native who grew up in LA county and drove a lot I grew to know and hate traffic. Who loves traffic jams on the 405 or 10 anayway?

So here are the best long term solutions I have found:

1. Live as close to work as you can thus avoiding the daily 405, 110, 5, 605, etc... grind.
2. Move to the less crowded areas.

I have done both of these quite effectively but prefer the second. Now living in Monterey I experience less 'traffic' on a daily basis that what I dealt with living in Colorado Spring which is very tame by SoCal standards.

The thing is ppl tend to lump 'all' CA into the same generalization as LA, SD or SF when considering things like smog or traffic. But there are 'many' more parts of the state which I think are nicer and the majority of ppl won't even bother to visit let alone consider moving to. Bottom line: LA != CA. Rather it is simply a large city within a much larger state with many less crowded towns, roads, etc...

So why not consider the road less traveled before moving all the way across country?

Derek

True I Used to Live in the I.E. which was way less crowded the traffic was bearable,But thanks to LA all that Smog Travels East and gets stuck In the I.E. Giving us a Bad Rep for The worst Air Quality in America,I Think. But One Thing I Love about the Santa Ana Winds it Clears all that Smog Out and the Sun is Brighter Than a Normal Day.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by californialove24

True I Used to Live in the I.E. which was way less crowded the traffic was bearable,But thanks to LA all that Smog Travels East and gets stuck In the I.E. Giving us a Bad Rep for The worst Air Quality in America,I Think. But One Thing I Love about the Santa Ana Winds it Clears all that Smog Out and the Sun is Brighter Than a Normal Day.

and we used to love the SA winds as well. We didn't truely live in the I.E. but in east SGV. We could count on them every Jan, usually toward the end of the month. Of course other times as well, but expecially in Jan.

Nita

[pll]

Originally Posted by timelesschild

Hm, well, I understand that some people are moving to California for those reasons; however, there are others moving here for legitimate reasons (just as there are regular people moving everywhere for regular reasons).

We moved here because there were jobs in my husband's field. Besides, we like California and have family here. That's three good reasons. Moreover, now that we are here, we find that we like living here even more than we liked visiting. We've been here about a year now.

Others have their own experiences and I would not downplay anyone else's genuine experience - no single place can satisfy everyone.

We are looking to return to be close to our relatives who-no matter what happens whether it be fires, droughts, earthquakes, economic disaster- will never leave CA. Plus the timing is right with our job and our family is much smaller now (3). Home prices have dropped which got way too expensive btw.

I think the people that complain about it the most haven't lived in other states for an extended period of time.